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THE US, UN AND IRAQ V

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 04:22 pm
There are so many folks here who either lack, or don't express the humour gene, that I think smileys are sometimes neccesary.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 04:22 pm
Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 04:24 pm
dys...the exception who proves the rule...again.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 04:26 pm
HOBIT!! That's like someone with no sense of humor telling an old joke, hopefully, painfully...
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 04:31 pm
dys...did your mother think you pretty? Mine was non-commital.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 05:49 pm
Hmmm...going on a goodwill mission is just unamerican!!!!
Families of war dead embark on peace mission.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 05:53 pm
mom, at my birth, said "next.........please!
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 06:12 pm
Timberlake-Poster Boy
I was not referring to his/her physical appearance, rather the convoluted, mock intellectual, tripe that masqerades as substance of his/her commentaries.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 06:47 pm
pistoff

I'm really not sure who you might be referring to, but if it is dys, I'm afraid the only thing you might have on that fellow is prettiness.

dys

Very like my father's comment, as my twin brother, born ten minutes later, will insist.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 07:22 pm
The man that calls the shots ... Sistani is the reason Bremmer took the 'emergency' trip to See George last week.

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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 29 Nov, 2003 10:04 pm
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 06:25 am
Saturday, November 29, 2003

Eid Recap...
And so Eid Al Fittur has come and gone once again. This year was, of course, different from every year. It was more quiet and solemn than usual. The first day we spent at home, welcoming relatives and neighbors who came to say "Eid Mubarek", and have some tea and kilaycha.

On the second day, we went to visit a couple of family friends and a relative who are in mourning. It seems like so many people are in mourning this Eid. When you visit someone during the holidays who is in mourning, you can't say "Eid Mubarek" to them because it, in a way, is an insult to wish them joy during their difficult time. Instead, we say "Akhir il ahzan" which basically means, "May this be the last of your sorrows…" The person will often simply nod their head, fight back the tears and attempt to be civil. I hate making these visits because it really seems like a terrible intrusion.

One of our Eid visits was to a close friend of my mother who lives in Al-A'adhamiya. In April, she lost her husband, son and young daughter when a tank fired at their car as they were trying to evacuate their house. We went to visit her on the second day of Eid. I was dreading the visit because the last time I had seen her, she was only this fragment of a person. It was like she was only a whole person with her husband and kids and now she is only 1/4 of a whole. For the first month after their death, she couldn't eat, sleep or speak. When we saw her in May, she couldn't or wouldn't recognize us.

We went to see her at her sister's house in the same area. She doesn't live in her old house anymore- she can't stand how suddenly empty it is. She was speaking and moving around this time, but she isn't the same person- not even close to the same person. She speaks politely and tries to follow with the conversation but you can tell that her mind is somewhere else and it's a huge effort to stay focused on what is being said or done.

A part of me knew that being there, sharing Eid with her, was the right thing to do- the proper thing to do. Another part of me felt like we were committing some sort of terrible sin and that it was just unforgivable to be sitting there, talking about rain and explosions when this woman's life had fallen apart on a black day in April. I couldn't decide which was worse- to see the agonized look in her eyes during moments of remembrance, or to see the vague, void look of indifference she'd sometimes wear when she disappeared inside of herself.

As we were leaving, I leaned down and hugged her, whispering "Akhir il ahzan…" and as I pulled away, she simply looked at me, shook her head and said, "Of course it'll be the last of my sorrows- there's nothing else to mourn because nothing else matters…"

And then there was the last day of Eid…

Bush was in Iraq on the 27th. He made a fleeting visit to Baghdad International Airport. Don't let the name fool you- Baghdad Airport is about 20 minutes outside of Baghdad. It's in this empty, desert-like area that no one is allowed to go near. No one knew about it until he was gone and then we were all saying, "Huh? What was that about?!"

Everyone here sees it for what it is- just a lame attempt to try to look good. We actually expected him in Iraq during his Asia tour- he was bound to stop by for a good gloat. I just think the whole thing could have been a little bit less transparent (and I expected it would occur closer to elections).

Seeing him on tv was amusing- so why did he have to sneak into and out of Iraq with such secrecy? Why didn't he walk the streets of the country he helped 'liberate'? Why didn't he at least *hover* above the country he 'liberated'? He constantly claims the situation is much better now than pre-war, so why isn't he taking advantage of our excellent security situation?! We all sat there, watching him garble out the usual stream of words and shook our heads… he's just as much of an ass in Baghdad as he is in Washington.

I am curious about how the troops felt about his presence though… I'm sure the hand-picked group in the airport were elated, but I can't help but wonder about the troops stuck in Tikrit, Najaf, Falloojeh or Mosul… I imagine they'd much rather be at home.

The most amusing thing about his visit was watching Chalabi and Talabani jumping up and down at the airport, cheering and clapping as Bush made the rounds. Muwafaq Al-Rubai'i, also a member of the Governing Council, was just embarrassing- he was standing on tiptoe and clapping like a 5-year-old watching a circus clown. Later, he gushed about how happy the Iraqis were and how delighted the whole country was going to be, like he would know, almost as inaccessible to Iraqis as Bush himself is.

Bush must be proud today- two more 'insurgents' were shot dead in Ba'aquba: two terrorist sisters, one 12 years old and the other 15. They were shot by troops while gathering wood from a field… but nobody bothers to cover that. They are only two Iraqi girls in their teens who were brutally killed by occupation troops- so what? Bush's covert two-hour visit to Baghdad International Airport is infinitely more important…

Note: To all of you who sent me Eid greetings- thank you. The number of emails was unbelievable. I'll try to respond soon- be patient- the electrical situation has been a nightmare.[/QUOTE]

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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 06:53 am
Wilfred Owen

At a Calvary Near The Ancre

One ever hangs where shelled roads part.
In this war He too lost a limb,
But His disciples hide apart;
And now the Soldiers bear with Him.

Near Golgotha strolls many a priest,
And in their faces there is pride
That they were flesh-marked by the Beast
By whom the gentle Christ's denied.

The scribes on all the people shove
And bawl allegiance to the state,
But they who love the greater love
Lay down their life; they do not hate.

[A "Calvary" is a statue of the crucified Christ; these crucifixes are erected at many crossroads in France.]
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 02:06 pm
Killing them doesn't endear you to them:Hearts and Minds
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In Central Iraqi Town, Anger at U.S.

By Mohamad Bazzi
MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT

Samarra, Iraq -- In a city seething with discontent, Adnan Maher held up a yellow plastic bag bulging with 6 pounds of rice, lentils, flour and sugar. "This is Mr. Bremer's Ramadan gift to the people of Samarra," he said, grinning.

Maher, chairman of the U.S.-backed city council here, distributed 3,000 such bags to Samarra's poor on Nov. 22. In each sack was a greeting from Paul Bremer, the top U.S. administrator in Iraq, marking the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

As Maher's men loaded the food into pickup trucks and jeeps, Capt. David Johnson looked pleased. "We're trying to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis," said the civil affairs officer with the 4th Infantry Division. "We're doing it in small steps."

Less than half a mile away, at a soccer field riddled with American bullets, few Iraqi hearts were won. The athletic club's president, Jamal Jassem, said U.S. helicopters have fired on the field four times over the past month in their hunt for Iraqi insurgents. The stadium lights have all been blown out, and machine-gun fire punctured the water tanks and pipes.

Pointing to the bullet holes in the goalposts, Jassem asked, "Is this what the Americans mean by winning our hearts?"

This city offers a window into how the U.S.-led occupation is losing ground in Iraq. Unlike most Sunni Muslim cities in central and western Iraq, Samarra was a place that U.S. forces had a shot at winning over. The city of 200,000 was one of the few Sunni-dominated areas that suffered under Saddam Hussein's rule, mainly because Samarra and its leading tribes were regional rivals to Hussein's hometown, Tikrit.

But the Americans have been unable to capitalize on Samarra's hatred for Hussein and his ruling Baath Party. Since arriving in mid-April, U.S. forces have carried out dozens of nighttime raids, detained hundreds of people and imposed a nighttime curfew. They have also painted schools, put up blackboards, distributed food and repaired water stations in an effort to soothe the anger in this city 60 miles north of Baghdad.

"The Americans made serious mistakes from the very beginning," said Shaker Mohammed, the city's U.S.-appointed mayor and a former Iraqi army general. "When U.S. soldiers search houses at night, they tie up the men and they frighten the women and children. This breeds resentment."

Akram Shouk is just the kind of person that the Americans could have won over in Samarra. One of his older brothers was executed by Hussein's regime in the early 1990s. Two of his other siblings were imprisoned for six years for working against the Baath Party, and Shouk lost his grocery store under the regime's policy of collective punishment.

"I hated Saddam because of all the pain he caused my family," said Shouk, 43, who now tries to earn a living as a laborer. "I was very happy when the Americans got rid of him. I thought they would help us improve our lives."

But Shouk turned against the U.S. occupation after troops raided his home one night last month. As he tells it, about 20 soldiers surrounded his house, broke down the metal door, took him and his two teenage sons outside, put sacks on their heads and tied their arms with plastic handcuffs. The soldiers then spent two hours searching the three-room house for weapons and pro-insurgent material.

"They broke some of my dishes, damaged my furniture and they dragged mud all over my floor," said Shouk's wife, Nabiha, pointing to a broken wooden dresser.

Shouk thinks the Americans were tipped off by a neighbor who holds a grudge against him. "They didn't find anything, so they just left," he said. "They terrorized us and they didn't even apologize."

Samarra is part of the so-called Sunni Triangle, a region stretching west and north of Baghdad that formed the foundation of support for Hussein. U.S. forces have faced the stiffest resistance in these areas.

Two weeks ago, U.S. fighter jets and artillery pounded empty farmhouses at the city's outskirts - places that military officials said had provided shelter to insurgents. The bombing was part of an offensive in central Iraq that began Nov. 2 after guerrillas shot down a U.S. Chinook helicopter near the western city of Fallujah, killing 16 soldiers.

"We are sending a message. We are showing that we are here," said Maj. Gordon Tate, a spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division, which is based in Tikrit.

As much as the people of Samarra hated Hussein, they are now livid at the Americans.

"No matter how much food they hand out or how many schools they say they're going to build, we're never going to accept the Americans here," said Ali Abdullah, 31, a guard at the soccer field that was attacked by U.S. helicopters. "They are occupiers and we will drive them out."


Even Maher, a tribal leader who was appointed by the Americans to head the newly formed city council in April, speaks of the potential for widespread resistance.

"As politicians, we want to have a dialogue with the Americans," said Maher, 61, a former Iraqi air force general who was imprisoned by the Baathist regime for six years. "We want to resist their occupation politically, but if we find that road is closed, then we will have to resist them another way."

The U.S. Army withdrew most of its troops from Samarra on Nov. 15 and moved them to a garrison about six miles outside the city. The redeployment is part of a wider effort by U.S. commanders to turn over security inside cities and towns to Iraqis. But in Samarra, guerrillas attacked one of the U.S. bases just hours after it was handed over to Iraqi forces.

Maher is worried that the ill-equipped Iraqi police and civil defense corps will not be able to handle security inside the city on their own. The police are still short of weapons, patrol cars and radios. And they're anxious about being targets of suicide attacks like those on police stations in other parts of Iraq.

"Some people do want the Americans to stay here, and are willing to work with them," said Mohammed, the mayor. "But they can't say that publicly because they're afraid of retribution."

History weighs heavily on Samarra, and most conversations with residents frequently drift into how, in the ninth century, the city became capital of the Abbasid dynasty that ruled the Muslim empire. The Abbasid seat of power remained in Samarra for 50 years before it was moved back to Baghdad.

More than 1,100 years later, that history became a threat to Hussein. The dictator hailed from a village near Tikrit -- a small city about 30 miles north of Samarra -- best known as the birthplace of the Muslim warrior Salahuddin. Because Hussein tried to portray his right to rule as a revival of Salahuddin's legacy, he had to sideline Samarra.

As soon as he became president in 1979, Hussein moved the capital of Salahuddin province from Samarra to Tikrit. He relocated the university, government offices and the regional Baath Party headquarters. Hussein also executed dozens of Baath activists in Samarra and marginalized army officers from the city.

"Saddam hated this city because he was from a small village that felt inferior and poor in comparison to Samarra," Mohammed said. "He prevented the government from spending any money to improve the agriculture or infrastructure here."

For centuries, the people of Samarra have eked out a modest living by growing date palms, citrus groves, olives and lentils. Under Hussein's rule, farmers suffered because government grants went to Tikrit.

Hussein also imposed restrictions on Samarra's other main source of income, religious tourism. Even though it is a predominately Sunni city, Samarra is home to a major Shia Muslim shrine: the gold-domed Imam Al-Hadi Mosque. Hussein's regime considered the Shia religious pilgrims a potential danger, and his security services built elaborate networks of spies to monitor the visitors.

In December 1994, there was a final rupture between Hussein and Samarra, when Wafiq al-Samarrai, the head of Iraqi military intelligence at the time, defected to the West. Hussein launched another purge of the Baath Party in Samarra and removed many military officers who came from the city.

With this history of neglect and constant purges, the Baath Party lost its roots in Samarra. The city began to draw Islamist groups that flourished even under Hussein's rule. Today, these puritanical Sunni movements are encouraging the local resistance.

Their message can be found in a row of cramped shops hawking religious tapes and CDs in the city's center. Mahmoud Hassan does a brisk business selling recordings of militant Sunni preachers, including Sheik Ahmed Koubaisi, a cleric exiled by Hussein and banned by U.S. officials from returning to Iraq.

Hassan also sells CDs about Osama bin Laden, the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and Chechen guerrilla commander Khattab, a Saudi-born militant killed last year.

"All the mosques here talk about fighting the Americans," said Hassan, 28. "No one in Samarra has anything good to say about the Americans, unless he's a collaborator."

So does this seem like "liberation," or "freedom" to anyone?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 03:47 pm
I am appalled at Hillary's crudeuse of our military in Afghanistan to further her political career. How dare she use them as PR props!

Laughing Laughing
<Would that be a cumulative 30% credibility loss to Tartarin, or just the 15%?>

:wink:
<doh!>
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 03:51 pm
Sofia wrote:
I am appalled at Hillary's crudeuse of our military in Afghanistan to further her political career. How dare she use them as PR props!

Laughing Laughing

Isn't that what the military is for?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 04:08 pm
blatham wrote:
sofia

You have, and I suspect some aunt or other had it too, the 'magic eye' - the power to peer into any corner and see precisely what you wish might be there.

Sort of like those who continue to claim Bush has avoided service personnel and their families despite proof that he has attended three or four services (not funerals) populated by families of KIAs, and continues to meet with service personnel. The charge of cowardice is still heard here, after a very dangerous trip to Baghdad--- I think the 'magic eye' of the Left is much more ambitious, and blinded than mine.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 04:18 pm
Sofia wrote:
The charge of cowardice is still heard here, after a very dangerous trip to Baghdad--- I think the 'magic eye' of the Left is much more ambitious, and blinded than mine.

Oh, come on! He flew in at night, when threats from slaams are minimal, and stayed for two hours at a hangar 60 miles from anywhere! That's almost as brave as his visit to England where he was in a "security bubble." Members of congress have shown real bravery by actually going into Baghdad and Afghanistan to speak with troops, and indigineous people. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the reason "we" are there is supposedly so we can help them rebuild their countries after our "liberation." Instead we have "support the troops," and "Operation Iron Hammer." We are oppressors, not liberators. Supporting the troops is much less important than suporting the Iraqi people. Lest anyone foget, we are the aggressors, we are the "bad guys" here. Sad
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 04:22 pm
Hmmm....

Nah, it was dangerous.

I wouldn't go, and I don't have the world's biggest target on my head. (Though I do have big hair.)
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2003 04:41 pm
Sofia wrote:
Hmmm....

Nah, it was dangerous.

Really? But according to Bush, the area has been "stabilized. You can't haev it both ways. And you didn't address why other members of this government, and other heads of state have made "real" visits, and the little coward hasn't.
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