US college closes door on ROTC, then welcomes Iranian PM

@Silverchild79,

I watched the dean of Columbia on c-span this morning . His statement that Rotc is not a supported activity on campus because it is discriminatory against gays was a little bit weird to say the least. If you really mean to be inclusive and fight discrimination where you find it then you have to include all groups and yes that would even mean the KKK.

One can only hope that they would show their true colors and participation would be low in such groups. So I do not agree with Columbia's decision to exclude Rotc.

But I do agree with their decision to ask the president of Iran to speak. Speech never hurt anyone and sometimes is the way to a resolution of conflict. Indeed if Bush had a brain in his head he would use this opportunity and invite the man to the white house.

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@wvpeach,

wvpeach;38820 wrote:

I watched the dean of Columbia on c-span this morning . His statement that Rotc is not a supported activity on campus because it is discriminatory against gays was a little bit weird to say the least. If you really mean to be inclusive and fight discrimination where you find it then you have to include all groups and yes that would even mean the KKK.

One can only hope that they would show their true colors and participation would be low in such groups. So I do not agree with Columbia's decision to exclude Rotc.

But I do agree with their decision to ask the president of Iran to speak. Speech never hurt anyone and sometimes is the way to a resolution of conflict. Indeed if Bush had a brain in his head he would use this opportunity and invite the man to the white house.

Right on the money. Bravo.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38792 wrote:

looks like this "Ivy League" school needs to do some weeding

FOXNews.com - Ahmadinejad to Speak at Columbia University Amid Heavy Protests - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

BTW, where's a college shooting when you need one?

how many foreign country's has he invaded ?

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@Silverchild79,

none yet

however his foreign policy does include genocide against Israel

I will also remind you yet again that you seem to convieniently forget that military action against Iraq in 2003 was in fact a repercussion for non compliance as per United Nations resolutions. I know the truth is a bear when you're trying to present that argument, unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin...

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38828 wrote:

none yet

however his foreign policy does include genocide against Israel

I will also remind you yet again that you seem to convieniently forget that military action against Iraq in 2003 was in fact a repercussion for non compliance as per United Nations resolutions. I know the truth is a bear when you're trying to present that argument, unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin...

turkey and israel have also failed to comply with UN resolutions,in reagards to cyprus and the occupied lands.

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@Silverchild79,

I totally disagree with the premise of your argument . We had lots of options besides war when we invaded Iraq.

But I do not want to discuss them now as i like to hear things for myself and Iran's president is about to speak and I want to hear what he has to say for myself. Then I can make a intelligent informed decision.

Silverchild79;38828 wrote:

none yet

however his foreign policy does include genocide against Israel

I will also remind you yet again that you seem to convieniently forget that military action against Iraq in 2003 was in fact a repercussion for non compliance as per United Nations resolutions. I know the truth is a bear when you're trying to present that argument, unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin...

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38828 wrote:

none yet

however his foreign policy does include genocide against Israel

I will also remind you yet again that you seem to convieniently forget that military action against Iraq in 2003 was in fact a repercussion for non compliance as per United Nations resolutions. I know the truth is a bear when you're trying to present that argument, unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin...

"unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin"

LOL is that why you quote fox news ? for its "fair and balanced" view :thumbdown:

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38828 wrote:

none yet

however his foreign policy does include genocide against Israel

I will also remind you yet again that you seem to convieniently forget that military action against Iraq in 2003 was in fact a repercussion for non compliance as per United Nations resolutions. I know the truth is a bear when you're trying to present that argument, unfortunatly for you reality does not bow to ignorant spin...

No, Iraq was not in response to Iraq's failure to comply with the UN. The US doesn't have authority to enforce UN mandate, Iraq was invaded because Iraq defied AMERICA. Whether or not you agree with the war, citing UN resolutions is bunk. State troopers from Texas can't enforce Oklahoma laws without Oklahoma saying they can, same thing applies. The UN said, "no" to Iraq, so we had no right. We violated the UN charter and technically the UN is obligated under that same charter to kick us out of Iraq through force of arms.

Ahmadinejad doesn't form Iranian foreign policy, the Supreme Leader does. Please read their Constitution. Ahmadinejad was elected democratically, is highly educated, and Iran supported the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. Iran opposes Al Qaeda, and only supports Hezbollah, an entity that condemned Al Qaeda for 9/11. Iran can be a HUGE ally to the US if we could simply TALK to them. However, we choose instead to back Zionists, five million people on a tiny sliver of land that have caused untold regional suffering (both directly and indirectly). Iran doesn't have clean hands, but aligning with them would be FAR more beneficial.

Iran supports terrorists? Saudi Arabia at one point paid $25k to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Saudi Arabia is not democratic. Saudi Arabia was home to 15/19 hijackers on 9/11. Saudi Arabia is home to Wahhabist Islam, which preaches the creation of a global Islamic caliphate. But hey, we can be friends with them, as long as we don't associate with those nasty Persians.

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@Silverchild79,

the UN wasn't going to enforce the mandate because people within the French and German governments were fleecing the oil for food program and that's not even in-question

The legality of Iraq isn't even n question any more, do you actually think Pelosi would have given up that fight if she had a leg to stand on, but she doesn't and neither do you

Meanwhile you'd bemoan our countrymen while defending this nut, who by the way just got caught smuggling Missiles in Iraq (which IS invasion now that I stop and think about it)

get the **** out of my country

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38834 wrote:

the UN wasn't going to enforce the mandate because people within the French and German governments were fleecing the oil for food program and that's not even in-question

The legality of Iraq isn't even n question any more, do you actually think Pelosi would have given up that fight if she had a leg to stand on, but she doesn't and neither do you

Meanwhile you'd bemoan our countrymen while defending this nut, who by the way just got caught smuggling Missiles in Iraq (which IS invasion now that I stop and think about it)

get the *** out of my country

Read the UN Charter. Without Security Council mandate, all war is illegal unless it is defensive. You're right, Iraq's legality is not in question anymore, it's established as illegal under the UN Charter. Just because the left doesn't question it doesn't make it legal.

Again, you have not read the Iranian Constitution. The Supreme Leader formulates foreign policy and commands the military. Ahmadinejad has nothing to do with it.

Iran is arming Shi'a militias, as you would if you were surrounded by hostile forces from the east and west. I wish they wouldn't, but let's look at strategic facts as if we were NOT the global military power:

China invades Mexico and occupies it.
China calls, US, Canada, and UK "axis of evil"
China invades and occupies Canada.

Now they've demonstrated the "axis of evil" means "fair game", what does the US do? Do we fight back, or do we accept foreign influence?

I reject offensive war as valid, and I bemoan ALL unnecessary loss of life. Our founding fathers would never have abided the treatment Iran is recieving.

Listen to Ahmadinejad. His speech is entirely peaceful, and well done.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38834 wrote:

the UN wasn't going to enforce the mandate because people within the French and German governments were fleecing the oil for food program and that's not even in-question

The legality of Iraq isn't even n question any more, do you actually think Pelosi would have given up that fight if she had a leg to stand on, but she doesn't and neither do you

Meanwhile you'd bemoan our countrymen while defending this nut, who by the way just got caught smuggling Missiles in Iraq (which IS invasion now that I stop and think about it)

get the *** out of my country

im not defending this nut,what i hate is american hypocrisy,the USA is not this GREAT BASTION OF DEMOCRACY it thinks it is,the CIA is one of the biggest terrorist organisations in the world,helping to overthrow democratically elected govenments,and backing teerorist groups within country's it has political differences with.

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@scooby-doo cv,

Excellent speech. WHY do we dislike this man? He could be a HUGE ally.

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@Freeman15,

Freeman15;38839 wrote:

Excellent speech. WHY do we dislike this man? He could be a HUGE ally.

He claims the Halocaust is a myth and calls for the destruction of Isreal and you want us to ally with him?

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;38849 wrote:

He claims the Halocaust is a myth and calls for the destruction of Isreal and you want us to ally with him?

He calls for the destruction of Israel, not the death of its people. His argument, and it is valid, is that the Palestinians did nothing to the Jews, and that Israel should have been created in Europe. He has never denied the holocaust, he has said it was a myth, but within the context of an interview about holocaust denial in which he was asked what he thought of the imprisonment of holocaust deniers.

He is the head of government of the most powerful state in the Middle East, highly educated, and pro-democracy. If we'd look at our strategic interests we would realize that Iran, not Israel is the more valuable ally.

If I was in the Senate, I would vote on a trade treaty between our two nations.

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@Freeman15,

Freeman and scooby doo are doing a fine job speaking the truth about the political and historical conditions that have caused this mess with Iraq and now Iran. So no need for me to repeat them, I will only expand.

First of all the man never said there was no holocaust . he said he thought more research should be done as to why there was a holocaust . I believe this was a thinly veiled insult to those of jewish decent meaning maybe they brought it upon themselves by behaving prior to world war 2 just like they are behaving with the Palestinian people now. I make no judgments about how they were behaving prior to world war 2 not enough history written about that. But I know they behave badly now, bombing Lebanon and killing hundreds for 2 soldiers being detained in the militarized zone . Come on , how thin a excuse is that for the deaths of totally innocent citizens in Lebanon? Israel detains Palestinians every day and has several thousand in prison for no proven reason , some for as long as 30 years.

All and all I thought the president of Iran's speech proved one thing. The US has no possible excuse for not talking diplomatically with the nation of Iran. The president of Iran showed he has a good mind, now if we could just come up with a president with a mind too , who knows maybe we'd have peace in the world.

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@Freeman15,

Freeman15;38839 wrote:

Excellent speech. WHY do we dislike this man? He could be a HUGE ally.

Maybe because he is giving weapons to our enemies who are using them to kill american troops. Or maybe because he looks forward to a day when Israel and America will be gone. Talk about shaking hands with the Devil.

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@Campbell34,

Now come on people. How many places around this world could you find a weapon after a battle that was made in the USA or Russia? How many times after a battle has been fought have the victors went around and collected Russian and US rifles off the dead? ...... Answer too many times to count!

Russia, and the US are the biggest suppliers of weapons to the world. Finding a weapon made in Iran on a insurgent in Iraq is not proof that Iran is supporting the insurgency. No proof at all for any thinking human being. First of all Iran and Iraq are neighbors and even though relations under Saddam Husein and Iran was obviously strained , the two countries much like mexico and the US have plenty of under ground trade going on . So Iranian weapons are not proof of the Iranian governments involvement in the insurgency except to blind followers of their man made God they have set up in Bush.

My next door neighbors and I have certainly traded things before. As do people who live in neighboring countries.

So for those of you who are swallowing the lies of Bush and his kill everybody who does not agree with us administration you need to use some common sense.

Are factions in iran supplying the insurgents? ......Probably.

Does the US do the same thing in countries where we do not like the government? ........ Answer is yes.

You cannot tell other countries to do as I say , not as I do like some try to do with their own children.

We have to lead by example. And we havn't been.

The president of Iran held out a olive branch to Christians, Jews , the world, and the US.

I can only hope and pray that the majority of people in the US are smart and moral enough to have seen this. The national media is certainly not going to help as they are flat out lying about what he said , in fear of being seen by the wacko war mongers as soft I suspect.

Well we better learn to be soft sometimes where war is concerned. Because Nations will be judged too, and right now our nation has the blood of many innocents on its hands. Blood that will never wash off, but we can repent that we spilled that blood to begin with.

Not picking on campbell here, but his response is typical of the people who believe this lying fake christian of a president we have.

Campbell34;38927 wrote:

Maybe because he is giving weapons to our enemies who are using them to kill american troops. Or maybe because he looks forward to a day when Israel and America will be gone. Talk about shaking hands with the Devil.

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@wvpeach,

wvpeach;38942 wrote:

Now come on people. How many places around this world could you find a weapon after a battle that was made in the USA or Russia? How many times after a battle has been fought have the victors went around and collected Russian and US rifles off the dead? ...... Answer too many times to count!

Russia, and the US are the biggest suppliers of weapons to the world. Finding a weapon made in Iran on a insurgent in Iraq is not proof that Iran is supporting the insurgency. No proof at all for any thinking human being. First of all Iran and Iraq are neighbors and even though relations under Saddam Husein and Iran was obviously strained , the two countries much like mexico and the US have plenty of under ground trade going on . So Iranian weapons are not proof of the Iranian governments involvement in the insurgency except to blind followers of their man made God they have set up in Bush.

My next door neighbors and I have certainly traded things before. As do people who live in neighboring countries.

So for those of you who are swallowing the lies of Bush and his kill everybody who does not agree with us administration you need to use some common sense.

Are factions in iran supplying the insurgents? ......Probably.

Does the US do the same thing in countries where we do not like the government? ........ Answer is yes.

You cannot tell other countries to do as I say , not as I do like some try to do with their own children.

We have to lead by example. And we havn't been.

The president of Iran held out a olive branch to Christians, Jews , the world, and the US.

I can only hope and pray that the majority of people in the US are smart and moral enough to have seen this. The national media is certainly not going to help as they are flat out lying about what he said , in fear of being seen by the wacko war mongers as soft I suspect.

Well we better learn to be soft sometimes where war is concerned. Because Nations will be judged too, and right now our nation has the blood of many innocents on its hands. Blood that will never wash off, but we can repent that we spilled that blood to begin with.

Not picking on campbell here, but his response is typical of the people who believe this lying fake christian of a president we have.

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