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The Fight for America

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 12:49 pm
@Pinochet73,
Side-note:

Watched a NAGEO special on US Special Forces (Green Berets) in Afghanistan. Episode ended in disaster with an IED explosion that killed and wounded a bunch of the team being covered and some of the news people covering it, as well. Very tragic.

The US tactics shown were very, very disappointing. As somone who has passionately studied guerrilla warfare his entire life, I concluded that if we continue to 'fight' (if you can call it that) the insurgencies we're facing in the Middle East the way these Green Beret are fighting it, we will never make a dent in the enemy.

Everything the team did was in broad daylight, under the observation of the Taliban, from start to finish. The team went to pre-designated locations the bad guys knew about well in advance. Even after the team discovered IED booby traps at their occupation sites, they still attempted to occupy them, detonating the IEDs they found, and finally getting blown away by one they didn't find. Very, very, very, very INEFFECTIVE tactics. In typical fashion, the Army has bureaucratized its tactics such that they make no sense and get people killed needlessly.

Here are some basic rules the team should have followed: operate at night, not during the day; move, move, move; don't occupy the same sites, which they did; if a site is compromised, move to another; be stealthy; FIGHT LIKE THE GUERRILLAS.

The team violated every basic concept of small-unit operations, forever on the radio with super-high-speed systems and upper echelons, none of which helped them in the end. On the ground, however, they looked like sitting ducks, and got blown up.

I mean no disrespect. I'm simply pointing out the dangers of allowing bureaucrats to dictate tactics on the battlefield.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 12:59 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46378 wrote:
Communism isn't evil ! its the way its put into practise,what about fascism,you use the name of a fascist dictator,who overthrew a democratically elected president,what about hitler,franco,mussolini and all the right-wing tinpot dictators the US backed in latin-america, you wouldnt know a communist if he bit you on the arse.


Screw it. Our natural rights crave life, liberty and property. Man, in his basic state of nature, wants to own his own stuff. It's called private property. Furthermore, property owners will be responsible citizens, because they won't want to lose their property. Socialist Man has nothing to inspire him except lofty platitudes about providing basic needs to his fellow Man. In practice, this dream completely falls apart. COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK, and murders people in the process of failing.

LOCKE WAS RIGHT. MARX WAS WRONG. LENIN, MAO, HO, the KIMs, POT, and CHE, were mass murderers. Pinochet gloriously routed them in Chile. Viva Pinochet. Viva Franco. Viva all anti-Communists, worldwide. Down with Communism.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:10 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46383 wrote:
Screw it. Our natural rights crave life, liberty and property. Man, in his basic state of nature, wants to own his own stuff. It's called private property. Furthermore, property owners will be responsible citizens, because they won't want to lose their property. Socialist Man has nothing to inspire him except lofty platitudes about providing basic needs to his fellow Man. In practice, this dream completely falls apart. COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK, and murders people in the process of failing.

LOCKE WAS RIGHT. MARX WAS WRONG. LENIN, MAO, HO, the KIMs, POT, and CHE, were mass murderers. Pinochet gloriously routed them in Chile. Viva Pinochet. Viva Franco. Viva all anti-Communists, worldwide. Down with Communism.


There is a difference with "Communism being evil" and "Communism dosen't work" i am not a communist,i consider myself a social democrat,maybe if you were a peasant living in venezuela you might be pro-chavez,does capitilism work ? ask the hundreds of millions living in poverty,starving if capitilism works.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:21 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46387 wrote:
There is a difference with "Communism being evil" and "Communism dosen't work" i am not a communist,i consider myself a social democrat,maybe if you were a peasant living in venezuela you might be pro-chavez,does capitilism work ? ask the hundreds of millions living in poverty,starving if capitilism works.


I lived in Latin America for three and a half years. DID YOU?????? Do you actually know what living in the Third World is like?????? I do. I lived in KOREA, PANAMA and PARAGUAY. I have travelled in COSTA RICA, BOLIVIA and ECUADOR. Guess what? EVEN POOR PEOPLE PREFER TO OWN THEIR OWN STUFF. Yeah.....they want to own private property, even when they're dirt-poor. Are you, as a great Communist savior, going to tell them they can't own anything, because all the money in society goes into their healthcare, housing, education and clothing account? WHO THE FRIG ARE YOU TO DICTATE THE TERMS OF THEIR EXISTENCE?????? :banghead::banghead::banghead:
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 01:31 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46391 wrote:
I lived in Latin America for three and a half years. DID YOU?????? Do you actually know what living in the Third World is like?????? I do. I lived in KOREA, PANAMA and PARAGUAY. I have travelled in COSTA RICA, BOLIVIA and ECUADOR. Guess what? EVEN POOR PEOPLE PREFER TO OWN THEIR OWN STUFF. Yeah.....they want to own private property, even when they're dirt-poor. Are you, as a great Communist savior, going to tell them they can't own anything, because all the money in society goes into their healthcare, housing, education and clothing account? WHO THE FRIG ARE YOU TO DICTATE THE TERMS OF THEIR EXISTENCE?????? :banghead::banghead::banghead:


What exactly were you doing in these country's,i take it you were in the military,you talk about poor people wanting to own their own stuff(who dosent) im talking about the 100s of millions worldwide in the third world that wonder where their next meal is going to come from,who will help them if a family member falls ill,i am not trying to dictate the terms of their existence,you seem to be saying that,for most of the poor in the third world its about surviving.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:39 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46395 wrote:
What exactly were you doing in these country's,i take it you were in the military,you talk about poor people wanting to own their own stuff(who dosent) im talking about the 100s of millions worldwide in the third world that wonder where their next meal is going to come from,who will help them if a family member falls ill,i am not trying to dictate the terms of their existence,you seem to be saying that,for most of the poor in the third world its about surviving.


You certainly are dictating the terms of their existence to them by trying to impose Communism on them. Listen up. I'll say it again: EVEN THE POOREST OF THE POOR WANT TO OWN STUFF. EVEN THE STARVING ONES. If, as a Communist savior, you deny them the ability and means to own stuff, in the tradition of Fidel Castro, for example, by investing what little money their impoverished countries have in public works and aid programs, YOU WILL BE DENYING THEM WHAT THEY WANT IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM WHAT YOU THINK THEY NEED. And again.......who the frig are YOU to decide?????????? If a poor person chooses to spend his last dollar on a shiney piece of painted plastic from Hong Kong instead of on a handful of rice for his starving baby, WHO ARE YOU TO DENY HIM THAT RIGHT????????
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:41 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46395 wrote:
What exactly were you doing in these country's,i take it you were in the military,you talk about poor people wanting to own their own stuff(who dosent) im talking about the 100s of millions worldwide in the third world that wonder where their next meal is going to come from,who will help them if a family member falls ill,i am not trying to dictate the terms of their existence,you seem to be saying that,for most of the poor in the third world its about surviving.


I was a military intelligence analyst. In Paraguay, I worked for and with DEA, in the US Embassy only. But......I always lived on the economy, that is, downtown, where I soaked it all in -- every little bit of it. And don't forget, Hardcore, I speak Spanish. I had contacts and friends everywhere.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:53 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46429 wrote:
I was a military intelligence analyst. In Paraguay, I worked for and with DEA, in the US Embassy only. But......I always lived on the economy, that is, downtown, where I soaked it all in -- every little bit of it. And don't forget, Hardcore, I speak Spanish. I had contacts and friends everywhere.


Your my f**king hero(not) the DEA what a corrupt bunch they are,along with the CIA,how many dictators did you help in your time in latin-america pino,you will know all about "operarion condor" then wont you ?
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:55 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46433 wrote:
Your my f**king hero(not) the DEA what a corrupt bunch they are,along with the CIA,how many dictators did you help in your time in latin-america pino,you will know all about "operarion condor" then wont you ?


should read "operation condor"
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klyph
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 05:47 pm
@Pinochet73,
The more I learn about Pino, the less I respect his opinions and view points, realizing how brainwashed he is.

I'm starting to see the big picture and realizing how small it is.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 07:16 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46433 wrote:
Your my f**king hero(not) the DEA what a corrupt bunch they are,along with the CIA,how many dictators did you help in your time in latin-america pino,you will know all about "operarion condor" then wont you ?


Actually, I objected to the corruption, and came to view DEA with a bit of contempt. Condor I know about through research. It was well before my time.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 07:17 pm
@klyph,
klyph;46439 wrote:
The more I learn about Pino, the less I respect his opinions and view points, realizing how brainwashed he is.

I'm starting to see the big picture and realizing how small it is.


Sorry you feel that way, Klyph. I had pinned so many hopes on you, man. I guess FF will have to take your place. Think she's up for it?:pimp:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 08:02 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46453 wrote:
Sorry you feel that way, Klyph. I had pinned so many hopes on you, man. I guess FF will have to take your place. Think she's up for it?:pimp:


I'm definetly a guy!
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 04:06 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46452 wrote:
Actually, I objected to the corruption, and came to view DEA with a bit of contempt. Condor I know about through research. It was well before my time.


you objected to the corruption did you ? but you being an admirer of fascist dictators,were quite happy the US backed these people,the DEA along with the CIA and the US government were all in it up to their necks.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 10:55 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
in the dawn of the dictators,
freedom will be restricted,
like liberty in a cup,
the people shall rise up,
and they will riot in the streets,
they will chant to forbidden beats,
death and destruction will follow,
and blood shall run through the streets,
death of the innocents,
will herald the resistants,
the wrath of the powers that be,
will show no mercy for all to see,
and a fury of all free peoples,
will sweep across the land,
and break the unruly hand,
the free people shall emerge from their homes,
through the streets the free army roams,
and a final battle will come,
death will be the fate of some,
and for them it shall be a fatal freedom!

:headbang:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 05:35 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;46464 wrote:
I'm definetly a guy!


Sorry, dude. My bad.:peace:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 05:37 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46378 wrote:
Communism isn't evil ! its the way its put into practise,what about fascism,you use the name of a fascist dictator,who overthrew a democratically elected president,what about hitler,franco,mussolini and all the right-wing tinpot dictators the US backed in latin-america, you wouldnt know a communist if he bit you on the arse.


Constitutional democracy is preferable, of course, but not all people can handle it. Palestine is one such example. Democracy is a means to an end, not an end it and of itself. Sometimes the majority is wicked, and its rule, the vehicle of implementing its ill-will toward Mankind.:headbang:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 05:40 am
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46520 wrote:
you objected to the corruption did you ? but you being an admirer of fascist dictators,were quite happy the US backed these people,the DEA along with the CIA and the US government were all in it up to their necks.


Contrary to popular myth, the vast majority of Latin America's problems belong to Latin America alone. Again, the US isn't responsible for all the world's problems, just as England wasn't, when it controlled roughly 72% of the Earth's surface, back in the day. Don't get too boisterous, there, Scoob. Your society isn't innocent. Most aren't.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 12:29 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;46697 wrote:
Contrary to popular myth, the vast majority of Latin America's problems belong to Latin America alone. Again, the US isn't responsible for all the world's problems, just as England wasn't, when it controlled roughly 72% of the Earth's surface, back in the day. Don't get too boisterous, there, Scoob. Your society isn't innocent. Most aren't.


i dont like imperialism pino,and i certainly am no fan of the old british empire,the US Backed right-wing fascist dictators for decades in latin america,and they are still meddling in latin-american affairs,they backed the coup against chavez,and whether you like it or not,HE WAS democratically elected.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 06:58 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;46723 wrote:
i dont like imperialism pino,and i certainly am no fan of the old british empire,the US Backed right-wing fascist dictators for decades in latin america,and they are still meddling in latin-american affairs,they backed the coup against chavez,and whether you like it or not,HE WAS democratically elected.


Chavez came to power via a military coup in the 1990s. He's no saint. And no.....Communists must never be allowed to take national power, anywhere. It's America's God-given duty to defeat Communism, everywhere and always. Communism is a curse and must be eliminated at all costs.
 

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