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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2007 09:06 am
@mousy,
No, the emperor welcomed them, Cortes left to fight a group of Spaniards sent to arrest him, when he got back he found that the natives had attacked the remaining Spanish, etc.
sectionOne
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 06:44 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;13881 wrote:
The only time they spread completely peacefully was in Medina. Their whole history has been trying to spread to conquer, just because Christians fought back in Europe and won alot doesn't mean they didn't try.


and you will find people who will defend this fact with ridiclous comparisons of other cultures and religions. or quotes from the bible.
really sad that many can't admit the evils of Islam in honest and open admission. but that's part of the culture.
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0Megabyte
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 01:42 pm
@mousy,
Before criticizing the evils of Islam, we must remember the evils of Christianity.

In this case, there are logs in both our and their eyes. Even so, Christ's words would still suggest dealing with the logs in our own.

Basic Christian principles. You call yourself a Christian, don't you?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 30 Apr, 2007 02:56 pm
@mousy,
Examples of evils of Christianity? Islam has a deeply rooted tradition and religious foundation for violence to spread the faith. Christianity doesn't.
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sectionOne
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 06:27 am
@0Megabyte,
0Megabyte;14223 wrote:
Before criticizing the evils of Islam, we must remember the evils of Christianity.

In this case, there are logs in both our and their eyes. Even so, Christ's words would still suggest dealing with the logs in our own.

Basic Christian principles. You call yourself a Christian, don't you?


wrong!
I think Islam has shown the evils when the WTC fell.
you don't see Christians rioting and burning embassies over cartoons of Mohammed.
you don't see over 8000 acts of terrorism since 911. yes, 8000 worldwide terrorism attacks, thousands dead. killing, beheading of Christians and others. bombing, suicide attacks, machette attacks on Christians locked in churches.

Islam is a religion of violence, wake up!
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0Megabyte
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 12:03 pm
@mousy,
sectionOne, you don't know history, do you? Look at the context. You're the one who needs to wake up!

First of all, the current terrorist attacks in the Middle East are not caused specifically by Islam. They, like most violence in history, are caused by politics.

The conflict in Iraq, for example, where a LOT of those terrorist attacks took place, is essentially a civil war between different Islamic groups.

Like Christians haven't killed each other over religious reasons. Ha. Maybe not anymore. But we used to. Ever heard of the French Wars of Religion? The European 30 Years War? The many persecutions Christians have leveled against other Christians?

Let's look at Palestine, too.

So, the people there are in a conflict against Israel. Some of them are given religious reasons to fight, but it's essentially, again, a political conflict over who gets to live where. It's not fundamentally Judaism vs. Islam at all (though, naturally, the enemies are demonized, and since the enemies are Jews, the Jews are, naturally, demonized.)

There have been some outside attacks on Europe, too. By political organizations, radical groups.

Tell me, would you not call Christian abortion bombers terrorists? Would you not use that as evidence that Christianity is violent in nature?

Wake up and get rid of your stupid bigotry against Islam. It's bigotry like yours which allows violence in this world to continue.
0Megabyte
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 12:12 pm
@mousy,
Reagaknight, you really don't know of all the evils which have been done in the name of Christianity? The violence towards non-Christians which have been perpetrated under Christ's name?

Jesus may not have suggested conquest, but there's PLENTY of violent action in the Old Testament, and the Revelation that so many people unfortunately believe is a literal prophecy isn't exactly conductive to peace either.

These things, and simple desire to spread Christianity, have been usedto spread violence in plenty of places, in the Americas, Spain, and other places European Christians went to.

Shall I list them?
sectionOne
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 12:36 pm
@0Megabyte,
0Megabyte;14475 wrote:
sectionOne, you don't know history, do you? Look at the context. You're the one who needs to wake up!

First of all, the current terrorist attacks in the Middle East are not caused specifically by Islam. They, like most violence in history, are caused by politics.

The conflict in Iraq, for example, where a LOT of those terrorist attacks took place, is essentially a civil war between different Islamic groups.

Like Christians haven't killed each other over religious reasons. Ha. Maybe not anymore. But we used to. Ever heard of the French Wars of Religion? The European 30 Years War? The many persecutions Christians have leveled against other Christians?

Let's look at Palestine, too.

So, the people there are in a conflict against Israel. Some of them are given religious reasons to fight, but it's essentially, again, a political conflict over who gets to live where. It's not fundamentally Judaism vs. Islam at all (though, naturally, the enemies are demonized, and since the enemies are Jews, the Jews are, naturally, demonized.)

There have been some outside attacks on Europe, too. By political organizations, radical groups.

Tell me, would you not call Christian abortion bombers terrorists? Would you not use that as evidence that Christianity is violent in nature?

Wake up and get rid of your stupid bigotry against Islam. It's bigotry like yours which allows violence in this world to continue.


what?
I'm not talking about Iraq or Palestine.
what are you saying?
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sectionOne
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 12:50 pm
@0Megabyte,
0Megabyte;14477 wrote:
Reagaknight, you really don't know of all the evils which have been done in the name of Christianity? The violence towards non-Christians which have been perpetrated under Christ's name?

Jesus may not have suggested conquest, but there's PLENTY of violent action in the Old Testament, and the Revelation that so many people unfortunately believe is a literal prophecy isn't exactly conductive to peace either.

These things, and simple desire to spread Christianity, have been usedto spread violence in plenty of places, in the Americas, Spain, and other places European Christians went to.

Shall I list them?

no need to bring up the past.
right now at this very moment Christians are being killed in the name of Islam. that is not a bigoted statement, it's just fact.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 12:56 pm
@0Megabyte,
0Megabyte;14477 wrote:
Reagaknight, you really don't know of all the evils which have been done in the name of Christianity? The violence towards non-Christians which have been perpetrated under Christ's name?

Jesus may not have suggested conquest, but there's PLENTY of violent action in the Old Testament, and the Revelation that so many people unfortunately believe is a literal prophecy isn't exactly conductive to peace either.

These things, and simple desire to spread Christianity, have been usedto spread violence in plenty of places, in the Americas, Spain, and other places European Christians went to.

Shall I list them?


Yes, please do. Because I think it could be argued that the Spanish were at fault in most places. They simply used Christianity to do what they couldn't do otherwise, ironically, because they were Chriatian it is not the fault of the Church itself.

But you may have other examples.
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markx15
 
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Reply Tue 1 May, 2007 07:58 pm
@mousy,
You pardon the Church when someone outside it's institutions uses it's ideals to rise popular support in order to conquer a political motive, but you stick to the supposition that Islam is problem? Why the double standerd on the same situation only with diferent names?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 04:57 am
@mousy,
Christianity was never meant to be pacifistic, unconditionally submissive, or tolerant of anything and everything, as many insist. The secular religion, Liberalism, grew out of Christianity and the Classical Tradition, and became a powerful force in the West, thanks to the Enlightenment, and the triumph of the American Way, with its secular, constitutionalist, 'civic religion'. Nonetheless, Liberalism is not Christianity, and vice-versa. They are two different religions. Some of you forget that, and continue to employ Liberal thinking to your arguments against militant Christianity. I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE RELIGION OF LIBERALISM.

The Liberalism that claims to embody and account for all 'acceptable' American belief systems which is spouted by America's treasonous news media (so-called) is junk-propaganda. It's ideological garbage that the Western Christian Warrior must discipline himself to reject, completely.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 05:16 am
@markx15,
markx15;14551 wrote:
You pardon the Church when someone outside it's institutions uses it's ideals to rise popular support in order to conquer a political motive, but you stick to the supposition that Islam is problem? Why the double standerd on the same situation only with diferent names?


I cannot respond to this. It isn't that simple. The Church does not want to forcibly convert the world itself, however, Islam does.
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sectionOne
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 07:06 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;14577 wrote:
Christianity was never meant to be pacifistic, unconditionally submissive, or tolerant of anything and everything, as many insist. The secular religion, Liberalism, grew out of Christianity and the Classical Tradition, and became a powerful force in the West, thanks to the Enlightenment, and the triumph of the American Way, with its secular, constitutionalist, 'civic religion'. Nonetheless, Liberalism is not Christianity, and vice-versa. They are two different religions. Some of you forget that, and continue to employ Liberal thinking to your arguments against militant Christianity. I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE RELIGION OF LIBERALISM.

The Liberalism that claims to embody and account for all 'acceptable' American belief systems which is spouted by America's treasonous news media (so-called) is junk-propaganda. It's ideological garbage that the Western Christian Warrior must discipline himself to reject, completely.

Liberalism is a religion?
that's funny. who is the leader? where is the church? is there a book that goes along with this?
wow, what a funny battle to pick.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 02:00 pm
@mousy,
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Liberalism is a religion?
that's funny. who is the leader? where is the church? is there a book that goes along with this?
wow, what a funny battle to pick.


Ann Coulter wrote a book about it, Godless: The Church of Liberalism.
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 03:37 pm
@mousy,
There is no pure religion....any and all religions who have been around long enough to gather followers can linked to atrocities and instances of forced convsersion...There is no one right way......
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 2 May, 2007 04:02 pm
@mousy,
Why don't we look at it from a modern viewpoint? What religion has fundamental teachings against such things, has apologized for any such instances, has been demonized for thousands of years, has instances of miraculous happenings, and is modernly open and tolerant to the highest degree.

I see this religion as the most valid. For me, it is Catholicism.
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mousy
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2007 11:45 pm
@mousy,
OBAMA is far more sexually attractive than Hillary...sorry this is what america has come to now..Very Happy either woman power or hot Eye candy, HONESTLY, short of resurrecting Elvis Presely as a republican contender do the republicans even have a chance?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 04:57 am
@mousy,
Giuliani leads against Hilldog in the polls and the Hildabeast is is still squashing Iraq Hussein Osama.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2007 07:07 am
@0Megabyte,
0Megabyte;14223 wrote:
Before criticizing the evils of Islam, we must remember the evils of Christianity.

In this case, there are logs in both our and their eyes. Even so, Christ's words would still suggest dealing with the logs in our own.

Basic Christian principles. You call yourself a Christian, don't you?
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Before criticizing the evils of Islam, we must remember the evils of Christianity.
Pause.................... That didn't take long. Ok, it's fine to criticize Extreme Islam now.
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Basic Christian principles. You call yourself a Christian, don't you
I think basic Christain priciples say "An eye for an eye." Yes, i am a Christian.

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First of all, the current terrorist attacks in the Middle East are not caused specifically by Islam. They, like most violence in history, are caused by politics.
Then i guess we could say the attacks by Christians on the Muslims in the crusades we not religious, they were politics? If this action is not caused by Islam but by politics, so in your eyes if it is caused by politics that makes it ok? Does politics justify such an action? I guess so, there doing it! Just so long as politics causes stuff it is ok for Islamic terrorist groups to act out there aggression?
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The conflict in Iraq, for example, where a LOT of those terrorist attacks took place, is essentially a civil war between different Islamic groups.

Define "cival war?" It says nothing about militant islamist terrorist groups killing each other and civilians?
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Tell me, would you not call Christian abortion bombers terrorists? Would you not use that as evidence that Christianity is violent in nature?
How many example's of clinic bombing can you come up with? Guess how many XMus bombing example's i can come up with? So who has the propencity to violence?
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