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"Are you blaming it on the islamic religion?"

Islamic culture. It sucks, long, hard and deep.

Why? Because they treat their women horribly? Because they aren't tolerant of other people's views? Because they value their God over anyone else's? By the way I don't believe that all muslims are like this, so please forgive me if anyone who reads this is offended, if you practice any of these things than I could care less, I agree that our perception of Islamic culture is horrible, but are they really like that? I read books coming from the middle-east, but most of what I can find is simply the oposite view of what I read here, these scholars speak about the american empire and it's methods of conquest, they admit that their culture has flaws, but what are both sides doing to change our stalemate, because that is where we find ourselves in the middle of a war between fundamentalisms, both believe they are right, so where do we go from here? Can either side make a consescion? Would either side want to? One can't simplt ignore the other, globalization has removed any option for isolation, so what do we do? Do we take Pinochet73's advice and attempt to totally destroy Islam, and how much of this war is real and how much is on our heads? Yes there are soldiers dieing on both sides, but who is fighting who? Is it the US against terrorists? or maybe Christianity against Islam? Who is the good guy and who is the bad guy? That is the problem with reality, good and bad are opinions, and we seem to agree that everyone is entitled to their own, so what is there to do, are we doomed from the get go because we can't agree to what rules we will decide to play the game of life? How long do we have until this system implodes? So what can we agree on? Let us first guarentee the only thing there is no doubt about. Our bodies, we need minimal care to remain alive, we need food, water, and who knows maybe even healthcare. I bet more people die of hunger every year than in the Iraq war. So why don't we all go down the street, find that beggar who we normally ignore and sit next to him, pay him a meals and ask him how he is doing, and what happened to him that he lives on the street. We sympathize for people who are thousands of miles away, hoping to perhaps help them with our words, but those close to us who we could easily help we ignore. Then we judge those who do the same. Doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? Let us give ourselves one, we need it more than those who are bankrupt. How many kids are in foster care? How many people have no access to an education worthy of their wounderful minds that are given to them by whoever you think created man, we are miracles, not balls of fire or magic cures. Take interest, because a person you so kindly sponser will not become these people you so blindly hate, that alone is more than enough reason to help out. We are all so intelligent, so creative, imagine what we could do together, one race above all other diferences, maybe not from the same mother, but from the same origin. We can prepare for an eventual afterlife, but only if we live this one.

Crush Islamo-fascism. Crush it hard.

You're very apologetic of Islam. Are you Muslim?

No I am not, but since no muslims present themselves, it would be very boring to only see one set of views.

I dislike seeing anyone denigrate a whole group or culture with such comments . All Muslims are not extremists , though I would like to see more moderate Muslims speak out against the radicals that have the loudest voice currently .

no one is grouping anyone.
by saying Islam is violent it is just stating fact from Quranic reference and behavior. it is neither racist or bigoted to do so.

moderate muslims won't speak out because they are killed. it's illegal to speak out. some law, huh?

I have practiced and studied Islam for over 30 years. by speaking out against Islam I have received many death threats. some religion of peace, eh?

I bet you will recieve death threats if you speak out about pretty much any controversial issue, try slandering Jew, homosexuals, christians, I bet someone will take time out of their day to write a note.

one slight difference.
jews, homosexuals, and christians aren't currently using terrorism in over 8000incidents around the world since 911.
threats and people who actually carry through with threats are 2 different things.

None of these were Holy Lands, though Mecca would become one. The reason they conquered these lands is because their religion encourages them to convert the world to Islam or dhimmitude. Their murdering wasn't a military tactic, (BTW, I'd like some examples of what you see as the Catholic Church eradicating local religions. Just curious. Also, with the Hebrews it was for cultural reasons, not religious, at least specifically the killing of the natives) but something inspired and/or accepted by their religions or acts of their prophet, etc.

The only time they spread completely peacefully was in Medina. Their whole history has been trying to spread to conquer, just because Christians fought back in Europe and won alot doesn't mean they didn't try.

The Catholic Church recked havoc among the native religions in South America.



To you what is worth more the words of a prophet or the actions of his followers?

The Spanish are infamous for using the Church for their own reasons, as I have already said. Many of the missionaries tried peaceful conversion anyway, it was the Spanish/Portuguese soldiers that 'wreaked havoc' on the native populace, if anyone. I would argue against even that because it was largely against those who were hostile to them, but that's branching out too far.



Hmm? Could you please clarify that?

I don't remember the church condeming their actions, they just sat silently while these men did such unchristian things?

In your opinion what weigh more when identifing a righteous religion what their prophet/God did and said, or what the believers practice and let be done?

I don't remember the Chinese emperor criticizing their actions either. There was too much going on in the world to pay attention to any news that may have come of remote conquests. Anyway, history shows to characterize the Spanish as the villains was not really accurate anyway, and I'm sure they knew more back then if it were true. And as I said, most missionaries were peaceful, the Church and Spain are separate entities.



Both should be important, after all, it would seem that true believers would probably follow what their God says. Anyway, all extreme Muslims are products of this ideology, and they, IMO, are the most authentic practitioners. I would definitely be an Islamist if I were a Muslim because that, I think, is the best way to follow the faith, which I don't approve of.

They didn't do it in the name of a chinese God, they did it in the name of the christian God, it is hard to believe that the CC would have no interest in it.

I never said no interest, but it's not as though they were doing anything but forced conversions, which are done everywhere all the time and were not the product of the Catholic Church, but the Spanish. The papacy was busy enough already; it was a rather turbulent time. Anyway, Spain had laws protecting natives as early as 1542.

LOL, laws protecting the natives, they slaughtered most of the Aztec population, the ones they didn't kill where put to work either in mines or agriculture, where all of the precious metals mined were spanish as well as 90% of their agriculture production. Not to metion that the miners had to work around 16hours a day in the mines.

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And the Aztec population, of course, fought them as well. If you ask for a war, don't you deserve it?

"The Catholic Church recked havoc among the native religions in South America."

Yes, there were excesses committed by Spanish and Portuguese adventurers and wildmen of all sorts. And they were Catholic. BUT, the Church tried to rein them in, and curtail their brutality. Also, don't forget how horrible the Indians were to each other. Hernan Cortes defeated the Aztecs with only 100conquistadores. The rest of his warriors (an estimated 20,000) were Taxcalano (sp), Indians who hated the Aztecs for oppressing them so harshly, for so long. This oppression included their exploitation for purposes of human sacrifice on a frequent basis. The 'Noble Savage' is a myth. I lived amongst Indians during my childhood. I know the deal.

The Aztec emperor thought the Spanish were from Quescotyl(spl?), they only fought back when the Spanish killed their emperor. After they had gone to the central city without any resistance.