John P
 
  1  
Reply Wed 22 Mar, 2006 10:16 pm
@moderation domination,
Dear Ohio Sweetheart
What do you suggest we do to protect our soldiers? I am interested. I agree with you. As a general in the marines, I tend to raise hell with my superiors about this. I suggest body armor all the time, and they tell me it is too expensive and yada yada.
But, I agree with you. I would have felt safer in Vietnam and Desert Storm marching soldiers into hot zones in jungles and deserts if I had some body armor. I was leading men into jungles in Vietnam and Southern China. Personally, I wish I had armor. But, when you are talking about fighting VC or Republican guard, you could care less about if you had armor. But, when you are finally there fighting, you are so scared of dieing, that you wish you had some.
Like now. I am not afraid to go back to Afghanistan. But, once I am there I wish I had it.
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a diffrence in the world, but Marines do not have that problem," -Ronald Reagan
"People must not be deprived to think their own thoughts,"-Boris Yeltsin
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tikala
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:33 pm
@John P,
Dear major or general or whatever you are.

A real general does not brag about himself.

You brag about being a Veteran of Vietnam. The whole world and most Americans (except you) know that Vietnam was a disaster for Americans.
Vietnam fought two (France and the USA) superior armies complete with airforces and navies which they (the Vietnamese) don't have for more than two decades and yet those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the frenchies and the yankees.

You stated that Saddam used WMD against his own people, yes everybody knows that, the whole world knows that, but of course you don't know (as a general?) that while Saddam was doing it, Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam after the US was furnishing Saddam's war machine with money and heavy materials (heavy trucks) to help him out.

You also stated that Saddam was giving money to the Palestinian 'terrorists' in their fight against the Israelis. Well, Saddam is an arab and the palestinians are arabs, is that hard to understand? The US is giving the Israelis $3-5billion a year to fight and oppress the Palestinians and 99% of Americans are not Jewish.

You also stated that Saddam is helping Al-Qaeda. Well as a Lt. General (3stars) you should know that that is NOT true. Even your own Commander in Chief has admitted that Saddam has no connection with Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden. Also the Congressional Committee investigating the 9/11 attacks came to the conclusion that Iraq/Saddam has no connection whatsoever with the 9/11 terror attacks and with Bin Laden.

What kind of a top Staff Officer in the US Armed Forces are you that you still don't know about it?

After reading all of your scribes I really have come to the conclusion that any General of the Salvation Army is better informed than you, n'est-ce pas mon general?
tumbleweed cv
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:40 pm
@tikala,
I don't think he will respond. He's in a better place now.Very Happy
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Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:44 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Dear major or general or whatever you are.

A real general does not brag about himself.

You brag about being a Veteran of Vietnam. The whole world and most Americans (except you) know that Vietnam was a disaster for Americans.
Vietnam fought two (France and the USA) superior armies complete with airforces and navies which they (the Vietnamese) don't have for more than two decades and yet those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the frenchies and the yankees.

You stated that Saddam used WMD against his own people, yes everybody knows that, the whole world knows that, but of course you don't know (as a general?) that while Saddam was doing it, Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam after the US was furnishing Saddam's war machine with money and heavy materials (heavy trucks) to help him out.

You also stated that Saddam was giving money to the Palestinian 'terrorists' in their fight against the Israelis. Well, Saddam is an arab and the palestinians are arabs, is that hard to understand? The US is giving the Israelis $3-5billion a year to fight and oppress the Palestinians and 99% of Americans are not Jewish.

You also stated that Saddam is helping Al-Qaeda. Well as a Lt. General (3stars) you should know that that is NOT true. Even your own Commander in Chief has admitted that Saddam has no connection with Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden. Also the Congressional Committee investigating the 9/11 attacks came to the conclusion that Iraq/Saddam has no connection whatsoever with the 9/11 terror attacks and with Bin Laden.

What kind of a top Staff Officer in the US Armed Forces are you that you still don't know about it?

After reading all of your scribes I really have come to the conclusion that any General of the Salvation Army is better informed than you, n'est-ce pas mon general?
Quote:
You brag about being a Veteran of Vietnam. The whole world and most Americans (except you) know that Vietnam was a disaster for Americans.
Vietnam fought two (France and the USA) superior armies complete with airforces and navies which they (the Vietnamese) don't have for more than two decades and yet those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the frenchies and the yankees.

Can you name a decisive battle that we lost? I cannot find one. The war was not lost on the battlefield. It was lost in the halls of congress.
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ndjs
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:42 pm
@John P,
Ever heard of the Tet Offensive drnaline? That led to us withdrawing from the war.

Although I agree 100% that the war was lost in America.
ndjs
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 07:55 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Dear major or general or whatever you are.

A real general does not brag about himself.

You brag about being a Veteran of Vietnam. The whole world and most Americans (except you) know that Vietnam was a disaster for Americans.
Vietnam fought two (France and the USA) superior armies complete with airforces and navies which they (the Vietnamese) don't have for more than two decades and yet those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the frenchies and the yankees.

You stated that Saddam used WMD against his own people, yes everybody knows that, the whole world knows that, but of course you don't know (as a general?) that while Saddam was doing it, Rumsfeld was shaking hands with Saddam after the US was furnishing Saddam's war machine with money and heavy materials (heavy trucks) to help him out.

You also stated that Saddam was giving money to the Palestinian 'terrorists' in their fight against the Israelis. Well, Saddam is an arab and the palestinians are arabs, is that hard to understand? The US is giving the Israelis $3-5billion a year to fight and oppress the Palestinians and 99% of Americans are not Jewish.

You also stated that Saddam is helping Al-Qaeda. Well as a Lt. General (3stars) you should know that that is NOT true. Even your own Commander in Chief has admitted that Saddam has no connection with Al-Qaeda or Bin Laden. Also the Congressional Committee investigating the 9/11 attacks came to the conclusion that Iraq/Saddam has no connection whatsoever with the 9/11 terror attacks and with Bin Laden.

What kind of a top Staff Officer in the US Armed Forces are you that you still don't know about it?

After reading all of your scribes I really have come to the conclusion that any General of the Salvation Army is better informed than you, n'est-ce pas mon general?



haha, John P. was found out.

Clicky!

Long read, but so worth it.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:44 pm
@ndjs,
ndjs wrote:
Ever heard of the Tet Offensive drnaline? That led to us withdrawing from the war.

Although I agree 100% that the war was lost in America.
Yes, i am familiar with it. We did not lose it. "The Tết Offensive resulted in a crushing operational defeat for the North Vietnamese, crippling the PLAF" We were helping the south. "Neither the NLF nor PAVN achieved any of their strategic goals, and the operational cost of the offensive was dangerously high." Quotes taken from your link.
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ndjs
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 08:59 pm
@John P,
Quote:
The Tết Offensive was a military defeat for the PAVN, but it proved to be a political victory, as media support for the war in the U.S. began to erode.


Quote:
There was among many a reflexive patriotic reaction that the war could not be lost and must not be lost, but there was absolutely no will on the part of any group in America to pay the higher price that expanding the war would have required. Irrespective of the media, Tet had changed the American viewpoint from winning the war to ending the war in what could be considered an honorable way.


It led to our withdrawal.
tikala
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:19 pm
@ndjs,
To Drnaline,

>>The war was not lost on the battlefield. It was lost in the hall of congress<<

Really? I didn't know that the US congress directed the Vietnam war instead of the the armed forces commanders on the battlefield?
Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:35 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
To Drnaline,

>>The war was not lost on the battlefield. It was lost in the hall of congress<<

Really? I didn't know that the US congress directed the Vietnam war instead of the the armed forces commanders on the battlefield?
Please provide a link where those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the yankees. And Congress directed us out of there after they cut funding. Left three million vietnameze to die and die they did. How cival of them? And remember that is Kerry's axe.
Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:36 pm
@ndjs,
ndjs wrote:
It led to our withdrawal.

Yes i know, but at who's hand?
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ndjs
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 12:03 am
@John P,
Well we didn't withdraw cuz we were exactly kickin ass over there.
Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 06:06 am
@ndjs,
ndjs wrote:
Well we didn't withdraw cuz we were exactly kickin ass over there.

We withdrew because of the liberal mentality. Just like there trying to do now. At every turn we engage them we whop there butts. Not according to the MSM. Or any liberal for that matter. Instead they call for Rumsfelds head. Like they didn't get handed there country, they didn't have two elections, they didn't draft a constitution. It's a quagmire remember, on the verge of cival war. According to the MSM they have been on the verge for years. That's why i want tikala to prove his statement, the one he believes so much, the one that every body in the world and most american knows except the Major? Let see if he can come up with one decisive battle we LOST. I'll be waiting.
tikala
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 07:47 am
@Drnaline,
To Drnaline,

We 'treated' the Vietnamese with our most modern, most sophisticated weapons, the best army, navy and airforce money can buy, we used very 'sophisticated' killing tools like napalm bombs (that is forbidden), even chemical weapons (agent orange), we killed innocent civilians like women and children (My Lai, the only episode that is officially reported?).

But those Vietnamese fought back even after they kicked the previous imperialistic superpower, the descendants of Marie Anoinette out of their country--- and...still prevailed.

We could not destroy their undying spirit, because they were fighting the American invaders and occupiers of their country and killers of their fathers, mothers, their children....just like what we are doing in Iraq, no?

You still think that we have won the war in the battlefields of Vietnam? Good for you!
tikala
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 07:58 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline wrote:
Please provide a link where those "little stinking yellow bastards" beat the hell out of the yankees. And Congress directed us out of there after they cut funding. Left three million vietnameze to die and die they did. How cival of them? And remember that is Kerry's axe.

>>And remember that is Kerry's axe<<

I do remember. But where was Dubya's ass?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:14 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
>>And remember that is Kerry's axe<<

I do remember. But where was Dubya's ass?
Not in a swiftboat in Cambodia like Kerry claimed, LOL.
Drnaline
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:22 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
To Drnaline,

We 'treated' the Vietnamese with our most modern, most sophisticated weapons, the best army, navy and airforce money can buy, we used very 'sophisticated' killing tools like napalm bombs (that is forbidden), even chemical weapons (agent orange), we killed innocent civilians like women and children (My Lai, the only episode that is officially reported?).

But those Vietnamese fought back even after they kicked the previous imperialistic superpower, the descendants of Marie Anoinette out of their country--- and...still prevailed.

We could not destroy their undying spirit, because they were fighting the American invaders and occupiers of their country and killers of their fathers, mothers, their children....just like what we are doing in Iraq, no?

You still think that we have won the war in the battlefields of Vietnam? Good for you!
Quote:
we used very 'sophisticated' killing tools like napalm bombs (that is forbidden),

What is so sophiticated about gasoline and navel jelly?
Quote:
We could not destroy their undying spirit, because they were fighting the American invaders and occupiers of their country and killers of their fathers, mothers, their children....just like what we are doing in Iraq, no?

No.
Quote:
You still think that we have won the war in the battlefields of Vietnam? Good for you!

Yes i still think because you haven't proven otherwise. Where did they kick are butts? If it was so evident i would think you could come up with one incident? Not near what you would need to prove your point but it's a start. Beating around the bush won't do it though, time to use that search function?
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tikala
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:31 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline wrote:
Not in a swiftboat in Cambodia like Kerry claimed, LOL.


In a swiftboat or not, Kerry was there and got his medals and quotations for bravery in the battlefield in Vietnam.

But where was Dubya? He carried his ass to go AWOL for at least 18 months at that time. But of course scientist like you don't bother to remember.

Dubya said that his being arrested for drunkdriving was a "youthful" indiscretion (he was 40). He didn't say that going AWOL during the Vietnamwar was also a youthful indiscretion. Of course not, he was too drunk to realize that he went awol, 18 months intoxicated. LOL ?
tikala
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:37 pm
@John P,
To Drnaline, Haleluyah !

You claimed that you're a Christian Scientist?

Wow a Christian and a Scientist...impressive !
Brent cv
 
  1  
Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 02:59 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
To Drnaline, Haleluyah !

You claimed that you're a Christian Scientist?

Wow a Christian and a Scientist...impressive !

What does that have to do with the War in Iraq?
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