War in Iraq

@Curmudgeon,

Curmudgeon wrote:

No recent posts from John P. ?? Busy weekend in Washington , I guess .

Dear Readers
I personally agree with Drnaline and Tumbleweed. I do not have to prove who I am. I know who I am, and I have told you. It is the truth. Now, beleive whatever. Now, I would like to get back on topic, and not debate my profession with civilians or lower ranking soldiers.
Still, I am a Major General, and I wish to be addressed as Major. Please do it. I am a two star general, and am readying for my third star.
Also, I go to Iraq in two weeks.
I also, once we get this whole, 'Is Major who he says he is or not' crap resolved, I actually got some answers to your posts, and have lots of supporting details.
-Major

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@John P,

If you wanted to be called "Major" on a message board, perhaps you should have chosen the user name "Major"

Just a thought John P.

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@John P,

OK , Major - ready for the answers , let the questions about your rank , etc. pass . No problem here . I have already agreed with you on everything except your bonafides .

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@ndjs,

ndjs wrote:

If you wanted to be called "Major" on a message board, perhaps you should have chosen the user name "Major"

Just a thought John P.

Good point. Very Happy

What all this respect bullshit. Your user name is John P.

I shall address you as John P.......Sir ! Very Happy

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@tumbleweed cv,

Dear Readers
I did a little research this weekend. I even called a close friend of mine. His name is General Tommy Franks. Some of you might know him, and about his book. He is a man who led many troops in Afghanistan, and I knew him briefly in Vietnam.
Anyway. We talked about Bush and the war. You all were right. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, the U.N and Hans Blix said there were no weapons, and the CIA never misled Bush. The CIA never said **** to Bush.
I chose to believe Mr. Bush because he addressed the Nation, the world, and my troops that there was a threat, Saddam has weapons, and we would be in the fight of our lives.
Guys, I am sorry. I was misled by Mr. Bush. I just still don't understand why Bush led us into a war with no weapons or threats present.
The books I read that suggest Bush was right, are now proven wrong. Tommy Franks disagrees with Bush highly. Franks is a four star general and has made many trips to Iraq since 2003. He knows more about Iraq than I do.
My research on the web, and my research with friend General Franks, and talking to a friend of mine who retired from the CIA a year after the Iraq war began, talked to me and set me strait. Sorry if I pissed some of you off with my bogus Bush theory and lies.
-Major

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@tumbleweed cv,

tumbleweed wrote:

Good point. What all this respect bullcrap. Your user name is John P.

I shall address you as John P.......Sir !

Tumbleweed, you make me laugh. Thanks.

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@John P,

Welcome aboard Major. Very Happy

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@John P,

You do realize that, as a Major of America's armed forces, you could get in a whole lot of trouble for espousing "bogus Bush theory and lies" don't you?

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@ndjs,

Yes, I do know that I could get into trouble. But, I only gave you my first name and middle initial (also my username).
Besides, I am not the only Major General named John with a middle name that starts with P. There is one other.
Now, bakc on track. How many of you beleive Bush lied and why? Be truthful for I am to expose information if I get good debate starters.
-Major

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@John P,

I think Bush was the recipient of some poor advice.:outraged:

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@John P,

Bush was misled. There's nothing he can do when trusted, or formerly trusted, advisors give advice and intel. He believes it, tells us, we believe it, we all find out we were misled, we get pissed at Bush. It makes no sense.

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@ndjs,

Dear Readers
You are all correct. Bush did mislead you. I honestly don't support the war. I mean, some good things came out of it, but, the main point was to get Saddam and his weapons removed from Iraq.
Afghanistan was a good idea. It really was. But, Iraq was a diffrent story. I think that Iraq was just a family thing.
But, the point is, something good came of it. The Iraqi people are now free from tyranny, oppression, and dictatorship.
But, bad things came of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. The Iraqi people are coming closer every day to civil war, the United States troops are pissing off the muslims and Arbas by torturing prisoners (abu Ghraib).
The terrorists blow things up and the Iraqi's start saying, hey, maybe terrorism will end if the Americans leave. They are the reason for this mess.
True.
Now, as for Iraq, I am pleased to say, troops will be cut by summer. A little over ten thousand will remain, but, some are coming home.
-Major

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@John P,

Misled or not , I still support the war and the troops .
I think our efforts to establish democracy in the region are just and possibly fruitful . Just the fact that elections have been held and the people are getting a good taste of democracy is a step forward . Once tasted , democracy is hard to push out .
I am not deluded enough to think democracy in Iraq will look like or act like ours , but I do think it will be established and help the people there .

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

I don't know where it says I am from South Dakota. I am not. I have been to Ellsworth AFB out there once to assist Colonel Brown (the old and I think current base commander) and so yeah.

http://whois.sc/209.159.213.145

The ip address that you are posting from is located in South Dakota. If that you are a Major General that is cool and all but remember we can not see you or have any other means of confirming this other than via your ip address and clues you give us in your posts.

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Dear Readers
I did a little research this weekend. I even called a close friend of mine. His name is General Tommy Franks. Some of you might know him, and about his book. He is a man who led many troops in Afghanistan, and I knew him briefly in Vietnam.
Anyway. We talked about Bush and the war. You all were right. Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, the U.N and Hans Blix said there were no weapons, and the CIA never misled Bush. The CIA never said crap to Bush.
I chose to believe Mr. Bush because he addressed the Nation, the world, and my troops that there was a threat, Saddam has weapons, and we would be in the fight of our lives.
Guys, I am sorry. I was misled by Mr. Bush. I just still don't understand why Bush led us into a war with no weapons or threats present.
The books I read that suggest Bush was right, are now proven wrong. Tommy Franks disagrees with Bush highly. Franks is a four star general and has made many trips to Iraq since 2003. He knows more about Iraq than I do.
My research on the web, and my research with friend General Franks, and talking to a friend of mine who retired from the CIA a year after the Iraq war began, talked to me and set me strait. Sorry if I pissed some of you off with my bogus Bush theory and lies.
-Major

Sorry Johnny P, you and Tommy are wrong.

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Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, the U.N and Hans Blix said there were no weapons, and the CIA never misled Bush. The CIA never said crap to Bush.

Do you some proof of this or just an opinion. Not finding weapons does not constitute he did not have them. The UN also said they were not involved in Oil for food either? Guess they lied. And you believe the CIA said they never said anything then why did the whole world believe he had them?

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I chose to believe Mr. Bush because he addressed the Nation, the world, and my troops that there was a threat, Saddam has weapons, and we would be in the fight of our lives.

What with the rest of the world addressing us that he had such weapons they starting saying it way before we ever did? What do you deem a WMD? What of the 18 UN resolutions? What of Congress's almost unanimus concent? What of Saddams months of time before hand to get rid of them. What of the report by the BBC (a post located on this site) of the US moving some of the weapons they did find? Nothing in the MSM, why? What was Saddam flying jumbo Jet sortys into Syria prior to the war? Some admit to 10/20 sortys a day?

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My research on the web, and my research with friend General Franks, and talking to a friend of mine who retired from the CIA a year after the Iraq war began, talked to me and set me strait. Sorry if I pissed some of you off with my bogus Bush theory and lies.

Sorry, your friends are lieing to you. Your theory is still bogus, you need to provide a little more then hearsay!

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Yes, I do know that I could get into trouble. But, I only gave you my first name and middle initial (also my username).
Besides, I am not the only Major General named John with a middle name that starts with P. There is one other.
Now, bakc on track. How many of you beleive Bush lied and why? Be truthful for I am to expose information if I get good debate starters.
-Major

I bet i could find out with the info you provide. Narrowing it down to two people is pretty good without even getting started. I gave you the benifit of the dought early on but now i believe you are suspect!

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How many of you beleive Bush lied and why? Be truthful for I am to expose information if I get good debate starters.

Not I. No need to explain why. Did Sklinton, Reid and countless others lie as well or just the pres? I think you are about to expose nothing. Other then hearsay of which you done a good job so far. I think you are a subvert, using the military as a guise to propogandize your ulterior motive. Care to elaborate? Will you exposee be truthfull?

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Dear Readers
You are all correct. Bush did mislead you. I honestly don't support the war. I mean, some good things came out of it, but, the main point was to get Saddam and his weapons removed from Iraq.
:wtf:
But, the point is, something good came of it. The Iraqi people are now free from tyranny, oppression, and dictatorship.
But, bad things came of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. The Iraqi people are coming closer every day to civil war, the United States troops are pissing off the muslims and Arbas by torturing prisoners (abu Ghraib).
The terrorists blow things up and the Iraqi's start saying, hey, maybe terrorism will end if the Americans leave. They are the reason for this mess.
True.
Now, as for Iraq, I am pleased to say, troops will be cut by summer. A little over ten thousand will remain, but, some are coming home.
-Major

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You are all correct. Bush did mislead you.

So by the same token we can say bush was misled as well. By the information as the world say it, that means you too. Did you mislead your troops? If you believe Bush did then you must take responcibility for your command. Are our troops liberators or murderers? If bush lied the are murderers lead by you! Should you not resign?

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I honestly don't support the war.

Yet you still find it in yourself to draw a paycheck from your misdeed? A man of conviction are we?

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But, Iraq was a diffrent story. I think that Iraq was just a family thing.

Got proof? Don't forget to leave out the UN and there resolutions!

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But, the point is, something good came of it.

How would you know what the point is when you keep changing it?

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The Iraqi people are now free from tyranny, oppression, and dictatorship.

To bad it was an illegal unjust war huh? Then was freeing europe from Germany's grip illegal too. It was Japan that attacked us remember? How many countrys have we freed since we came about for less reason then a tyrant? Were those illegal too? Your full of **** my friend IMO!

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But, bad things came of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. The Iraqi people are coming closer every day to civil war, the United States troops are pissing off the muslims and Arbas by torturing prisoners (abu Ghraib).

Shall i quote how many times i have heard that Iraq is on the verge of a cival war? I would say at least twenty times in the last three years, so when is going to start again? Torturing is not playing loud music, allowing women interigators, taking picks of them naked or pissing on a koran. You explain to me where we tortured them, and then provide proof. I can show you a few pics of people that were tortured but they are missing there heads. Does that quaility as torture to you? Can you privide a like source, i think not. Other then that you should STFU.

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The terrorists blow things up and the Iraqi's start saying, hey, maybe terrorism will end if the Americans leave. They are the reason for this mess.
True.

What's great about this statement is it is true, now the Iraqi's are able to have such an opinion, they are FREE to do so. But from this mess it is up to the Iraqi people to chance it. We gave them the chance it is up to them to see what they do with it. Not us. We have seen what Japan, Germany, Turkey, South Korea, and many countless others have done with such a gift. We should not expect different from them, If they want it? The answer remains to be seen. From your responce so far i know what you wish would happen there and you are a sick man. You agenda is plain for all to see, and believe me we see you for what you are.

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@Brent cv,

Brent wrote:

http://whois.sc/209.159.213.145

The ip address that you are posting from is located in South Dakota. If that you are a Major General that is cool and all but remember we can not see you or have any other means of confirming this other than via your ip address and clues you give us in your posts.

It amazes how easy his tune was changed once he talked to a supposed friend. Being friends you would think they had some sort of relationship coming all the way from Nam and stuff? I must also guess that he must have some sneaky alterior motive to deny his IP address, either that or he is that nieve of internet process and how it can be traced?

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@John P,

Here is one for you major.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49221

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@Drnaline,

Dear Drnaline
Ok. I beleive that there was weapons of mass destruction now. I never heard anything about uncovering weapons on the news or on the base. Sorry. I now bow down to your wisdom.
Now, I apologize for saying Bush is a liar, and bladdy blah. Disregard any of my posts about the war in Iraq. I have yet to go there, and I am waiting.
Also, can I ask that you please show me some respect? I am not asking you to show me respect cause of my rank, but show me respect as an individual please. I really don't like people asking me to shut the **** up. Also, please lets disregard any of my announcements.
If you choose to not beleive I am a Major General, that is fine. But, I still ask to be called a major.
Also, as for Brent's post about me living in South Dakota or something, I don't. I live in Washington D.C.
I don't want to argue with you guys anymore.
Please, stick with the main post and debate that. I don't understand why debate is turned into a debate on my military status, place of residence, and my rank. I am not a liar, I am true, and I am tired of debating this.
-Major

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