War in Iraq

@Drnaline,

Dear Drnaline
Ok. I beleive that there was weapons of mass destruction now. I never heard anything about uncovering weapons on the news or on the base. Sorry. I now bow down to your wisdom.
Now, I apologize for saying Bush is a liar, and bladdy blah. Disregard any of my posts about the war in Iraq. I have yet to go there, and I am waiting.
Also, can I ask that you please show me some respect? I am not asking you to show me respect cause of my rank, but show me respect as an individual please. I really don't like people asking me to shut the *** up. Also, please lets disregard any of my announcements.
If you choose to not beleive I am a Major General, that is fine. But, I still ask to be called a major.
Also, as for Brent's post about me living in South Dakota or something, I don't. I live in Washington D.C.
I don't want to argue with you guys anymore.
Please, stick with the main post and debate that. I don't understand why debate is turned into a debate on my military status, place of residence, and my rank. I am not a liar, I am true, and I am tired of debating this.
-Major

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@John P,

Hey Major- Sir.:439:

Whats it going to be.:dunno: One day there are WMDs, the next there isn't.

Take a stand. Drnaline will get you so confused you won't know what to hell your talking about.

Take a stand and defend it.:swordfight:

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@John P,

We find it difficult to listen with respect because we are uncertain of your qualifications to have the inside knowledge you have professed to have . When Brent checks the IP address that goes with your ID it shows S. Dakota , yet you insist you are in Washington , how can that be ?
My concerns about grammar and syntax still trouble me . I refuse to believe a ranking soldier would commit such egregious errors , even on the net .
I perceive some flip-flopping on your part also , which I would not think would be the case if you are who you say you are .
Granted , this forum should not be about personalities , but I , for one , still doubt you .
My opinion only , however . Worth exactly what you pay for it .

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Dear Drnaline
Ok. I beleive that there was weapons of mass destruction now. I never heard anything about uncovering weapons on the news or on the base. Sorry. I now bow down to your wisdom.
Now, I apologize for saying Bush is a liar, and bladdy blah. Disregard any of my posts about the war in Iraq. I have yet to go there, and I am waiting.
Also, can I ask that you please show me some respect? I am not asking you to show me respect cause of my rank, but show me respect as an individual please. I really don't like people asking me to shut the *** up. Also, please lets disregard any of my announcements.
If you choose to not beleive I am a Major General, that is fine. But, I still ask to be called a major.
Also, as for Brent's post about me living in South Dakota or something, I don't. I live in Washington D.C.
I don't want to argue with you guys anymore.
Please, stick with the main post and debate that. I don't understand why debate is turned into a debate on my military status, place of residence, and my rank. I am not a liar, I am true, and I am tired of debating this.
-Major

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Ok. I beleive that there was weapons of mass destruction now. I never heard anything about uncovering weapons on the news or on the base. Sorry. I now bow down to your wisdom.

It is not wisdom, it is research. Not taking what you read verbatim but looking for yourself and desifer what you read. The old adage of reporting the news and letting the person deside is long gone, best find out for yourself. I know what i believe, i do not expect you to believe the same. Just back up what you do believe.

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Now, I apologize for saying Bush is a liar, and bladdy blah. Disregard any of my posts about the war in Iraq. I have yet to go there, and I am waiting.

This is where we differ, if you are waiting to go there then why did you write this.

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I have made three tours to Iraq, and one to Afghanistan. I am ready to make my fifth tour to the Middle East, and I will be leading some men into battle near the Iraq Iran border, where suspected terrorists come in from.

Sounds to me like you were there quite a few times unless you are lieing to us? If you forget this was one of your first posts, here is a link. http://www.conflictingviews.com/250-guten-tag.html
So are you a fraud or a liar? Because i can not disregard what you wrote.

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Also, can I ask that you please show me some respect? I am not asking you to show me respect cause of my rank, but show me respect as an individual please. I really don't like people asking me to shut the *** up. Also, please lets disregard any of my announcements.

I showed you respect at first. Was it not I who told others not to prejudge you? But as i cannot disregard you prior posts I am compelled to believe you are trying to deceive us. I await an explanation for your direction of choice. As you do not seem of a common goal. You have proven some what less reliable for the truth so do not deserve any leway then what I already have above such a statement. Asking me to disregard your statement is not feasible because in your short posting career it is a fine example of your character thus far, untill proven otherwise.

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If you choose to not beleive I am a Major General, that is fine. But, I still ask to be called a major.

I got no problem with that.

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Also, as for Brent's post about me living in South Dakota or something, I don't. I live in Washington D.C.
I don't want to argue with you guys anymore.

For not wanting to argue why pick a debate forum? As for your IP address i care not is you explain. Just one more example of your character.

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Please, stick with the main post and debate that. I don't understand why debate is turned into a debate on my military status, place of residence, and my rank. I am not a liar, I am true, and I am tired of debating this.

I can not, you have left to much room for error. How can i take you serious now when you have misspoken and at this time i do not know the reason. Other then disregarding them? Again as far as status you gave two different story's, which one is true? Waiting to go or three tours?

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@tumbleweed cv,

tumbleweed wrote:

Hey Major- Sir.:439:

Whats it going to be.:dunno: One day there are WMDs, the next there isn't.

Take a stand. Drnaline will get you so confused you won't know what to hell your talking about.

Take a stand and defend it.:swordfight:

Thanks tumbleweed! I'll take that as a compliment. For the Major to argue he should have ground to stand on first, he does not. Some one so maliable IMO should not be a general. It appears to me he is willing to let others make up his mind for him. Not someone I want leading our troops. Most marines i know would fight and die for what they believe not jump from side to side or ride a fence. Of course all this is just my opinion, but right untill some one can prove me wrong. At which point i think i'm man enough to admit defeat, I've done it before not ashamed to do it again.

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@Drnaline,

Dear Drnaline
The two tours to Iraq is not the Iraq war we are in right now. I made two tours during Operation Desert Storm. I went to Kuwait City, and even went to Baghdad and most of my men were left to rot outside the capital.
Now, I am waiting to go to my first tour of this war. I hope this clears it up for you. As for my syntax and spelling, this is a simple I don't care about my spelling cause I am not talking to superior officers and nobody really cares about spelling on the internet.
Also, I did not beleive there were weapons of mass destruction because Bush or the military would have come out and said it. Drnaline, I agree with you, I read the link, and it is more than likely true. But, sometimes you guys use links from the internet. Don't you realize sometimes the news twists things up? Or lies?
Let alone the internet?
Now, Drnaline, you are a wise person. I got and need more friends like you. By the way, I would like to thank you for sticking up for me in the past.
Have you considered joining the marines? We could use men in the marines with your patriotism.
-Major

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@John P,

Maybe I don't fit in and maybe I don't belong on this website. I probably should not even be on any debate forum. Even in high school, I sucked at debating. Maybe I should just do my career in the marines, and not debate my governments stupid decisions or anything. Everytime I brag about my military status, debate turns into arguement. Like, "I highly doubt you are a general and all that ****)
So, maybe I should go. Tell me what I should do. I personally think my posts are sometimes right or somewhere near right. But like all, I am wrong once in a while.
-Major

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@John P,

Major Sir.:439: Just change the subject. Start a discussion about something else.

Just don't bullshit us. You'll do fine. Very Happy

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Dear Drnaline
The two tours to Iraq is not the Iraq war we are in right now. I made two tours during Operation Desert Storm. I went to Kuwait City, and even went to Baghdad and most of my men were left to rot outside the capital.
Now, I am waiting to go to my first tour of this war. I hope this clears it up for you. As for my syntax and spelling, this is a simple I don't care about my spelling cause I am not talking to superior officers and nobody really cares about spelling on the internet.
Also, I did not beleive there were weapons of mass destruction because Bush or the military would have come out and said it. Drnaline, I agree with you, I read the link, and it is more than likely true. But, sometimes you guys use links from the internet. Don't you realize sometimes the news twists things up? Or lies?
Let alone the internet?
Now, Drnaline, you are a wise person. I got and need more friends like you. By the way, I would like to thank you for sticking up for me in the past.
Have you considered joining the marines? We could use men in the marines with your patriotism.
-Major

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The two tours to Iraq is not the Iraq war we are in right now. I made two tours during Operation Desert Storm.

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I have made three tours to Iraq, and one to Afghanistan.

The only example we have to go by is what you post. If we individually or as a group can disect what you have writen that is not our fault but yours. the above axample is a good one even though you have tried to clarify it some what there are still questions? Not that it's my business but just to clarify for me, how long were your "tours" in Iraq? The first time we went in under bush 41, it was over in days. Not exactly long enough for two or three tours in my estimation but i could be wrong.

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Also, I did not beleive there were weapons of mass destruction because Bush or the military would have come out and said it.

They would not say if they didn't want any terrorist body to know when and where we were moing them. That and i don't think Saddam was building Nuke reactors for the hell of it, even though isreal blew them sky high. Hussein lieing at ever turn doesn't give me much faith in his word on any thing. As for the Media, I search all forms if it and compile it all and then make an informed decision. Works good for me for sifting through all the bull. Most of the time i can spot a biased piece way off. Weither it's biased for or against my arguement.

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Now, Drnaline, you are a wise person. I got and need more friends like you. By the way, I would like to thank you for sticking up for me in the past.

Got no problems there either. Wise in the investment to learn the truth, IMO. I can and will be your friend but that remains on your charactor. I expect to be held accountable fore most every word i write, I will expect the same out of you. These debate/arguements are our only basis to determine who you are. I expect nothing out of you I do not require out of any one else here. Ask any one.

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By the way, I would like to thank you for sticking up for me in the past.

Your welcome. 41 with a busted MCL, i think the marines could not take me. But for every soldier on the front there are ten behind him. I am one of those ten. In mind, heart and soul. Just not in uniform.

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Maybe I don't fit in and maybe I don't belong on this website. I probably should not even be on any debate forum. Even in high school, I sucked at debating. Maybe I should just do my career in the marines, and not debate my governments stupid decisions or anything. Everytime I brag about my military status, debate turns into arguement. Like, "I highly doubt you are a general and all that crap)
So, maybe I should go. Tell me what I should do. I personally think my posts are sometimes right or somewhere near right. But like all, I am wrong once in a while.
-Major

Your the only one who can decide that. Good examle would be like me saying I am Dick Cheney and approaching the debate in that fashion. I think you would require more info to take me serious? On the net personalitys come and go.

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@John P,

ha ha ha.
A modern major general.

I had to read it twice.
A government employee who works in public affairs at Fort Campbell, Kentucky was talking about how she felt about Americans honoring her husband.
Sherry Orlando is a spokeswoman at Fort Campbell, Ky., and she doesn't want her husband, who was killed in Iraq in 2003, to be used "for someone's political agenda."
I guess once is enough.
Between her pay in United States Army Public Affairs, the bounty she got for his death in Iraq and the paychecks she will receive for the rest of her natural life Sherry Orlando has used her husband politically enough for 3 lifetimes.
She had this to say, "Being in the military ... was who he was. It wasn't just a job. He supported what he did and I support that as well."
Her husband had been a Lieutenant Colonel in the Military Police but ended up in a combat situation. He had started his lifelong career in the US Army as an enlisted man and moved his way up to command.
His recklessness in Iraq is attested to by his fellow soldiers who thought it was valor. The policeman rushed into every incident he could. Instead of remaining in command and control as an officer should he rushed ahead. It is said that oftentimes his reckless actions led to the deaths of innocent Iraqis and unprepared soldiers under his command.
Did his lack of expertise led to the death of honorable soldiers fighting a dishonorable war?

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@John P,

You can't have honorable soldiers fighting. They are either liberaters or murderers. By the sound of it she thinks her husband a murderer.

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@Drnaline,

Dear Drnaline
I will take your advice above. Try to research and all of that stuff. Can I call you my friend? You are a wise man. I appreciate you being a nce person to me.
Thanks bro.
-Lieutenant General

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@John P,

John P. wrote:

Dear Drnaline
I will take your advice above. Try to research and all of that stuff. Can I call you my friend? You are a wise man. I appreciate you being a nce person to me.
Thanks bro.
-Lieutenant General

I read my post again and it probably needs a little more clarification. IMO you cannot have honorable soldiers fighting in an dishonorable/illegal war. If it is deemed illegal by some leftwing court that would make every person fighting over there a murderer. The implications of the left having there way would be catastofic to the military.

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Can I call you my friend?

You may call me anything you like, you would be a select few that would call me friend. I tend to rub most the wrong way. I've also be banned from various sites for what i think and the way i write it. The Christian Scientist moniker is just that. I am Catholic and the process i use in determining things is scientific IMO. "Wise" comes from taking the time to find out the truth, or what i believe it to be. I did not get my point of view handed to me. I learned it. And had it beat into my head by persons much smarter then I. As most will attest here, i can hold my own. I am nice to most even if we are in constant disagreement. It's a fine line we walk in the Internet Super Highway.

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@Drnaline,

There is reasonable doubt that the War in Iraq is a failure now. But what are we to do? Pull out? If we were to leave Iraq now in the turmoil it is in, how would that seem to the families of dead soldiers that fought there? We owe it to the families of soldiers who lost their lives in Iraq to see the war through to the end so it does not seem like their children have died for nothing.

But that is just my opinion...

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@John P,

I very much agree
It does little, if any, good to argue about whether we were right, or warranted, to go to Iraq.
We're there. Let's get on with it, clean it up and come home

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@ohiosweetheart,

ohiosweetheart wrote:

I very much agree
It does little, if any, good to argue about whether we were right, or warranted, to go to Iraq.
We're there. Let's get on with it, clean it up and come home

What about arguing we are not doing enough to protect our soldiers over there and without more support we may never leave there?

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@John P,

obviously that's not what I was talking about. I said it's useless to argue about whether we should have gone over there... we're there.

Common sense dictates that we should do everything we can to protect our soldiers, no not enough is being done, and of course we need more support

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@ohiosweetheart,

Dear Readers
We were right and we were waranted to invade Iraq. Saddam did and still has weapons of mass destruction. Drnaline has proven this to me. Saddam was a maniac. He commited war crimes and genocide on his own people. His atrocities were one day going to get him back.
Now, it is not a matter of pullin out or not. Bush said troops could remain until 2008. But, we hope to be completely out by mid 07. It is unsure yet. We go weeks without violence, and then it escalates and then it de-escalates. It is a mess down here.
One of you made a good point. The pull out thing. "How would that go with the families of fallen soldiers?"
I can answer that. You would have very pissed off people that would probably join what I call the Sheehan movement and protest the government and future mistakes.
This is not why we are not pulling out. That plays a small role, but the main reason is because Iraq right now is like a newborn baby. All young, helpless and fragile. They have a government, but, it is fragile and could be taken out easily.
Second, their country is unstable. Insurgents everywhere, terrorists coming in from Syria, Iran and other islamic countries. Their governments deny it, but they are liars.
Thirdly, you have to rebuild what we tore down. Half of Baghdad still has no electricity, and a lot of Iraq's population is starving or suffering.
Americans did the right thing removing a tyrant. I am not going to get into this cause some of you on this site do not support Bush, the war, or other things.
My orders came in. I am not leading some troops into Iraq. They are sending a friend of mine who works in a diffrent state than me. They are sending me to Afghanistan though to command for a while very soon.
Anyway. Iraq is a mess. Terrorists have one main goal. To permit terror. To cause terror, and to destroy imperialism and capitalism and everything American. Basically anything that does not follow their views. The word terrorist to me means: Person who acts in terror, tries to cause fear, pain, suffering, and death.
Exactly what they do in Iraq right now.
I sometimes feel bad for the Iraqi people because our war is killing innocent civilians. Insurgents go and blow the hell out of hotels and stuff. They die. It makes me sad, cause these people are severely happy that we are there. I have been to Afghanistan and had fellow comrades come back from Iraq telling me that the Iraqis are happy we delivered them from evil and sacrifised them.
I remember when we were in Kuwait during the Persian Gulf War. People approached our humvees and tanks praising us for helping them defeat the threat.
Anyway, you are all right.
-Lieutenant General John P.
(Three Star General now.)

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@John P,

We will not be pulling out anytime soon because of the turmoil we have caused there and we cannot leave until this supposed "civil war" is over. Even after Bush is out of office, no future president would be crazy enough to pull out of Iraq after what we have caused.

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