@Ding an Sich,
Ding an Sich wrote:Actually they are out there, insofar as I am intending them. Now as to whether or not Heidegger, Sartre, or others exists is entirely a different story; however, I am conscious of them, and as such, can intend them emptily or not. So I find it silly to think that there is nobody else out there. Phenomenologically they are 'here'.
Let's try this from a different angle. When I said that there was no Heidegger, Sartre, or anybody else out there, I mistakenly assumed that you would realize that I was talking about you being the conversation you are having. It doesn't matter whether you gather your data or inspiration from Heidegger, Sartre, Kant, Aquinas, or Socrates, what matters is that you are always the conversation you are choosing to have regarding that data or inspiration.
Ding an Sich wrote:And turning now to moods, there is nothing wrong with moods; it is simply how I find my self in the world at a given moment.
That's exactly what I said. It
IS how you find your 'self in the world at a given moment.
Ding an Sich wrote:Moreover, these moods may not come from the They; perhaps it could be from Others which I readily recognize, or perhaps it could be a mood which I disclose to myself (anxiety). It is strange, then, that you think moods stem from the They, when in fact it could stem from me taking up the question of Being itself.
I didn't say anything about "moods stemming from the they, I said:
Dasein wrote:You don't create “turds”, your 'throwness' is to pick up 'turds'. 'Turds' come from the 'world' you live alongside of and are what you 'pick up' to distract you from 'Be'-ing your authentic 'self'. Your moods let you know that you are playing patty-cake with a turd.
I also said;
Dasein wrote:"Turds" and "moods" are telling you that yes, indeed, you are leaving your living up to the “they” and the “world”.
An example of a "turd' would be your response to my post. You came to the conclusion that I said 'moods" come from the "they" and now you and I are discussing your conclusion instead of you getting what I said.
So, 1) you read what I wrote, 2) you came to a conclusion about what I wrote, 3) you posted your explanation of your conclusion, 4) you and I are playing patty-cake with that "turd".
What I said was;
Dasein wrote:You don't create “turds”, your 'throwness' is to pick up 'turds'. 'Turds' come from the 'world' you live alongside of and are what you 'pick up' to distract you from 'Be'-ing your authentic 'self'. Your moods let you know that you are playing patty-cake with a turd.
I just noticed that I was wrong when I said "You don't create "turds". You do create "turds". The "turds" you create are conclusions you come to and explain/defend.
I also said;
Dasein wrote:"Turds" and "moods" are telling you that yes, indeed, you are leaving your living up to the “they” and the “world”.
Now let's tie this all together with a pretty bow, if we can. When you get your data or inspiration from Heidegger, Sartre, Kant, Aquinas, or Socrates there are a couple of things that can happen:
1) you come to a conclusion based upon
your interpretation of what they wrote:
Your interpretation comes from your definitions of the words used in what they wrote and those definitions come from the world (dictionary, learned language, discussions, what teachers have taught you, etc.) A conclusion becomes a 'territory' to defend and is the end of thinking.
2) you come to a conclusion based upon
their interpretation of what they wrote:
The philosophers we look up to are no different than you and I. They come to conclusions and “defend/mark their territory” in publications that you and I read. Because we have endowed them with “authority”, we read them as if what they are saying is the “gospel” truth.
When it comes to the reading of these philosophers we basically have only 2 choices: 1) we can assume that they know what they're talking about and mimic their conclusions over and over again, or, 2) we can dig deep into the conclusions they've come to and uncover what they didn't uncover.
Ultimately, the “final authority” in your life is you, thinking. If you choose to take what the 'authorities' have to say at face value, I say your life is a “crap shoot” and that you may be picking up 'turds' that you are basing all of your conversation/thinking on and that you will never know who you are. BTW – those conclusions you come to is where you will spend the rest of your life unless you dig deeper.
Not knowing who you are “throws” you into a mood. That mood 'colors' the conclusions you come to which effects all future conclusions.
The only way out of all of this is to think for your 'self'. Thinking for your 'self' is the uncovering of who you are by deconstructing the conclusions and misconceptions you live alongside of. When you get to the truth of your deconstruction who you are will 'show up' in place of the labyrinth of conclusions and misconceptions.
This is what it means to live an authentic life, because now you, (not the world and the 'they'), are the author of your life.
But you knew all of this already. Otherwise you wouldn't have created the 'turd' (distraction) we've been playing patty-cake with.