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Does free will exist?

 
 
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2021 03:20 am
@Jasper10,
There is a lot to unpack there...

When you say "God" you can be speaking of a million things. Which one is it?
I could give you Logical concepts of "God" but you seem to be set on tradition not thinking.

Same goes with the old beat to death horse debate on Materialism versus Spiritualism. We barely can define the first one and the second seems like a fancy spin off of the first with magic fairy dust for unknowns...

As for moral Realism what does that has anything to do with religion or small minded concepts of an Anthropomorphized Demi-God?

...a final comment, your Metaphysics lacks ambition!...
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2021 12:07 pm
@Albuquerque,
I am referring to the biblical God and his rules.My thinking/ logic/hopes are absolutely fine.I would be interested to hear your logical concepts of God.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2021 12:16 pm
@Jasper10,
How about the biggest Set that can ever be. Lets call it from our POV the potential Set.
The sum not only of what is but what was and what will happen.
This Set has a rational/order but is not alive because it needs not being alive, it encompasses everything therefore it doesn't move anywhere. It is on itself timeless.

Now tell me how does your God is bigger than the sum of "creation" and "creator", or bigger then the sum of all that can be? It is a simple math question and you should be able to answer it.

PS - By the way I posed this question to my Catholic catechist when I was around 12 years old.
popeye1945
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2021 09:15 pm
@Albuquerque,
This is not directed at anyone in particular, but how on earth can one think that there is free will when you do not even know what your next thought is going to be??
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2021 09:35 pm
@popeye1945,
Precisely because it is processed at an unconscious level and you becoming aware of your own awareness it is also processed first at an unconscious level. Also the lack of knowledge has nothing to do with facts or states of affairs.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 08:11 am
@popeye1945,
Well if SELF doesn't know what the next thought is going to be then SELF is aware that this is the case.

SELF sits above awareness which sits above consciousness which sits above thoughts of the does/doesn't God exist kind.

Therefore, SELF is AWARE of CONSCIOUSNESS types (in synch/out of synch) also the types of THOUGHTS (conscious/subconscious) that happen within the consciousness types and ultimately the EMOTIONS that result.

One can remain a SPECTATOR or one can become a PLAYER.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 11:29 am
@Jasper10,
Neuroscientists are testing "players" like you and are winning big...do you care to go make some bets with them, I mean, really play?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 12:53 pm
@Albuquerque,
Bring it on....
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 01:31 pm
@Jasper10,
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 02:39 pm
@Albuquerque,
Being able to detect electrical signals in the brain which determine choice and then come up with a “box of tricks” to measure” those signals quicker than a person can press a button is very impressive but so what? ...I would have thought with all the money that is being spent on neuroscience that that is the very least we would expect them to be able to do by now.Come on is that it? Are these conscious or subconscious thoughts? If they are subconscious thoughts ...or conscious thoughts for that matter......prove it...I’m bored already...
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 03:18 pm
@Jasper10,
One can CHOOSE whether one wants to experience in synch or out of synch thoughts if one is a PLAYER........because one can CHOOSE which consciousness state to be in in any given moment.One is not a conscious state,one just toggles/ transitions between them.One can become AWARE of this.SPECTATORS are not aware of this.
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 04:30 pm
@Jasper10,
Common for Christ sake...how much can you stretch an argument?
In the video you can clearly see that the person who is supposedly deciding freely is not aware of its own brain subconscious decision making, so how come did the person had any free say in the matter? Freely choosing implies you MUST BE AWARE of what you are choosing, but it is now well know that all the decision processes work first at an unconscious and subconscious level first, such that when you become aware of what your brain decided given its state of affairs regarding information and predispositions you are mislead to appropriate that subconscious processing as being a conscious free decision which was not as you were not aware of the " computation" going on inside until it came to you.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 04:45 pm
@Albuquerque,
What are you talking about ...everyone knows that electrical signals are far quicker than mechanical operations.Inventing basic tests and then trying to convince us all that because it’s the brain something more must be happening than is actually happening is a bit rich...Get real...
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 05:01 pm
@Jasper10,
What what? The electrical signals are the ones your brain is making, action potentials, did you saw the electrodes in the brain cap there??? Are you kidding me?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 05:20 pm
@Albuquerque,
Sorry I’m bored....
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 05:30 pm
@Jasper10,
...and this is when someone who claims openness to logical debate and looking for truth is caught lying!
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 06:00 pm
@Jasper10,
A present to you, to avoid being bored, and all others bold enough to face a potential existential dilemma that can torment you for life if you take it seriously...
(Don't see the following video if you are mentally susceptible, user description advised)

Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jan, 2021 06:43 pm
@Albuquerque,
Similar to Pascal's Wager:
For those who don't believe in free will there is no problem with Roko's Basilisk nor with Pascals Wager, for those who do believe in free will you better do something about it! xD
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2021 01:29 am
@Albuquerque,
Lying?......and you might say spiritual people live in cloud cuckoo land....Do you honestly spend your time being taken by this stuff?...I mean the first clip.......I haven’t even looked at the other clips yet.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jan, 2021 02:11 am
@Albuquerque,
Just watched the second clip and personally I don’t take the two off “reasoning” boxes seriously ........I choose them both and reject them both when I have finished with them.SELF can do that you see ...........and choose to HOPE instead.
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