Why does God permit evil????

But Christ is an illusion , Jesus the man did not mirror the pagan gods by sacrifice.

Perhaps to know what you have you must first know what it is to not have it? You can't know love if you have never had it. Even though this accounts for why it would happen it still cancels it out after the fact because eventually you will forget. Such as, a person in love does not know they are until after something occurs, like a minor fluctuation in it or a complete loss of it. While it is happening there is really no analytical thinking that knows it is experiencing love. It comes after.

People like to argue that they know it during but it actually doesn't work that way. Similar to fear, people don't deduce that, "Now I am afraid." No as soon as they reflect upon it their fear subsides usually giving them a moment of self reflection it is replaced temporarily some times. It is a method that is used to over come some intense emotional situations. If it didn't work like this then you would never be able to analyze the emotional state. Which is the argument against for ever endless bliss, would lose it's meaning after about ten minutes give or take.

I'm not sure what you expect me to say as if the reason is spelled out in black in white and I'm just keeping it a secret. I could give dozens of reasons none of which may be the ACTUAL reason. What can be safely asserted(IMO) is A reason does exist or else that would be the way it is. What more can I say? I honestly don't need to know the actual reason, only prove that such a reason can exist. And I believe I've satisfied that requirement. In the same way I may have no clue why the sky is blue but I can guarantee a reason does exist or else the sky would indeed not be blue.

I believe this is the arena that God set forth for us to get to know Him. And this arena allotted God the opportunity for Him to exemplify His love for us most purely. By sacrificing Himself for us. What greater expression of love could there be?

I've heard this before. This argument says that you can't know what it's like to have something unless you know what it's like not to have it. This doesn't measure up logically. Could I not know my mothers love and care as a child unless I've felt her apathy and cruelty first?

With all due respect this measures up to diversion tactics. If you can't make a simple logical distinction between two realms of existence and you can't give an honest answer to a simple question then we have nothing more to discuss. I sincerely enjoyed discussing this with you, though.

I've heard this before. This argument says that you can't know what it's like to have something unless you know what it's like not to have it. This doesn't measure up logically. Could I not know my mothers love and care as a child unless I've felt her apathy and cruelty first?

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I take the best of both worlds...Why cannot you assume that Information is Order in this Universe and for this Universe alone...

If you can't make a simple logical distinction between two realms of existence...

What if they were awarded with not heaven? Then your argument makes it worse and you fail to justify it.

What wake up call? They were at least a live. You don't need to kill thousands to improve things. They eventually will improve over time.

This is a very dangerous thought.

There was no wake up call required here, it is just your opinion that they needed help. I don't think they needed any help. Sure the country was poor, probably due to corruption in the political atmosphere.

You don't need a disaster to fix that, in fact the country will be worse off far longer from this than it would be without it.

You are saying you only care after there is suffering? Seriously? Well that is a little um messed up don't you think?

...since he got her killed...

Remarkably none of the children were killed. What are the odds?

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The Material Realm vs the Immaterial Realm.

Material Realm consists of Cause/Reaction of Chaos (energy and matter)

Immaterial Realm consists of Thought/Action of Mind (Information)

Cause/Reaction is not the same as Thought/Action.

"Information is Information. Not energy and not matter. Any materialism that does not allow for this cannot survive in the present"
Norbert Weiner, Cybernetics p147

I see my question is still avoided, if you have never experienced the good how can you measure the two? If you have only experience the good what purpose does those who suffer serve you?

But Jesus the man did not mirror the pagan gods by sacrifice.

Then let's try and simplify. Probability doesn't match with Action... ok, common ground. So you accept that Cause/Reaction is not the same as Thought/Action? One requires Chaos, the other requires Mind? Any problems with this?

So you don't see a difference between Cause/Reaction and Thought/Action...? Do I read you correctly?

Order encompassing every aspect (variable) of Reality is of utmost importance for Communication purposes...(so there must be not true Chaos, but context instead...what is out of context for a purpose must be in context for another..."noise" is a superposition of contexts...

3 - Even if there were two worlds in contact they would harmonize\accommodate each other giving rise to a bigger larger world...(contamination)

4 - My perspective on this is not only Holistic, but it is in constant search for simplicity, its a Monist perspective...it demands ONE True Nature...Conflict and error must be dialectically eradicated...(explained)
There must be no inconsistencies...



(continues) but you can answer already to this first block...

Best Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE


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What in hells name are you on about ? do you think wrapping it up in certain malign way it will defuse the debate and making it easier for you to avoid answering? Your not alone in thinking that by altering the perspective of the debate I'm going to go away and not insist on you of faiths answer the question, this thread begs you to. You know the question its not linear or any other such reason you can give for not answering. Whose not showing respect here? is that the next proposed excuse for avoidance?

...LAW is what remains intact, not Thought...same is to say CODE !

...To the best of my ability I think I give a crystal clear answer...but if I failed to do so on your perspective, I apologise for my incapacity to communicate...
( ...and for those who are in doubt go back in the Thread and read carefully my words...)

You're really loosing me here. Thought is Caused? Caused by a NEED for Action? So we are puppets?

How does "awareness" imply?

How will this explain a Thought about another Thought? I'm am now Thinking about the way I used to Think about Motorcycles. What was the NEED that Caused me to Think this Thought?

Can't say I disagree. But this doesn't mean that I must think about something. Being aware of something does not force me to think about it. But I adhere to common science and philosophy of what thought actually is. Thought is a description of phenomenon. We must codify our experiential awareness into a description. We do this with code. That's why cognition testing is primarily language based.

If I burn my finger (cause) and pull away quickly in pain (reaction)... That's just cause and reaction to stimuli. No thinking has occurred here.

But when I describe the experience, even if only within my mind (ouch!), that's when thought occurs. The more I describe my experience, the more thinking I do about it. I can think about it a lot and describe the oven temp, the creek of the door, the smell of the pizza... all continued thinking about my burned finger... because of description.

But nothing required me to describe and think about my burned finger. I could have left it at cause/reaction only and never desired to express thought/action whatsoever.

And I can think without a cause present. A simple desire to write a poem is not an external cause... it's an internal thought... without any cause needed.

How can a LAW even exist without a Thought expressed upon a Code to bring it into existence?

I don't get it.

Appreciation and knowing are two different things. Answer this simple question for me. Could I not know the love and care of my mother without first experiencing her apathy and cruelty?

What Code did you read this LAW upon?