Why does God permit evil????

babies face trials yes, not only that but IMO any baby who dies would have accepted God had they lived, but perhaps God knew something ahead in their life that would lead to for lack of a better word terribleness the likes of which would have been worse than death. And not only that but less people would come to know God if they had not died.

there must be a connection between two "material" or "immaterial" things of slightly different form...

So an estimation is made of a mans worth. So tell me, if that is possible to gain heaven without the trials god has planned for us, why can he not do it for every one? Do those who enter without the trials become less than others? Do you see how this logic breaks down when you enquire? I travelled this path from a believer to a questioning agnostic nearly forty years ago. How do you maintain your faith with all this illogical reasoning?

well I believe that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So the only thing I can really claim, in terms of heaven, is that, the "immaterial" is what joins with God. If you don't want to call that heaven, then I'm OK with that

Because it has nothing to do with "trials", God's overall goal is knowledge of Himself. If going through trials will bring the most people to that knowledge, then you'll face them; if it won't, then you won't. And as I stated even babies face trials, no one who exists faces no trials. But trials aren't the point

It's important for us to be precise in our definition of words. I cannot allow you to shanghai the word Code just because it makes you feel better about your personal theory. There are extremely precise qualifiers needed in order to call something a Code. So far, none of your interpretations fit.

Patterns and Code are not the same things Fil. In fact, they're quite the opposites. You can't just say that Code is everywhere in the Universe. It is not, and thus, Information is not everywhere in the Universe either.

I get called ignorant because I adhere to formal definitions of words? Try again Fil.

So evil is not essential to gain knowledge, trials or comparisons of good and bad are not essential? So what does life experience serve if we can go to heaven if god wishes it? Or are you of the opinion that if a child dies very young it goes to limbo. You really are confusing me with what you actually believe?

...how would you define the rest of reality, besides CODED Information ?

How would you link it with Coded Information, if it was made with a different nature ?

Ok here's what I believe. God's overriding goal is to bring people to a knowledge of Him, while persevering our free will.

Some people will ONLY come to know God by going through things you might consider evil/bad/painful/traumatic/whatever. If the ONLY way God can bring someone to a knowledge of Himself, is by that, then that's what He'll do. Why? Because any amount of pain/evil on this earth is infinitesimally small when compared to eternity in heaven.

Some people will come to a knowledge of God without facing anything too too traumatic. I suppose these are people like me. The worst thing to ever happen to me was breaking my tibia fibula in a HS football game my junior year. I accepted God during middle school. A traumatic/evil/painful experience was not necessary for me to come to a knowledge of God. Now, that being said, if I ever do go through something like that then I can only conclude it will be for someone else's benefit, such that, had they not seen/heard/known about what happened to me, they would not have come to a knowledge of God.

So to sum up evil is not essential to have a knowledge of God, for SOME people, others MUST experience such things before they'll come to a knowledge of God.

God cannot force us to do things but He does know what we'll do in EVERY situation. Therefore with that knowledge if a situation exists that will allow us to come to know Him, then we will find ourselves in that situation. That being said, there are many people who given every situation that could possibly exist, will still not ever accept God. Not because He doesn't love them or want them to, but because No set of conditions exists, such that they will accept God.

Babies are not stuck in limbo, they are in heaven as I stated IMO.

If you would like to know anything else about my personal beliefs I'd be more than happy to clarify/answer them as best I can.

We define reality with Codified Information. But reality itself, is not Codified Information. The reality that science has thus far "defined" is a reality based upon the cause/reaction of energy/matter present with Chaos. But none of that reality is Information and none of that reality is Code.



There is no link. Nothing from Chaos produces or authors Code. Chaos produces Patterns... Fractal Patterns. That's practically the opposite of Code.

Patterns are irreducible complexity.

Codes are always reducible down to a factor of 1 bit.

Patterns only represent themselves.

Codes always represent something other than themselves.

Patterns can never be duplicated exactly.

Codes can always be duplicated exactly.

Patterns don't need a mind to form.

Codes always come from mind.

Patterns cannot change their medium and express themselves the same.

Codes can change mediums a thousand times and still express the exact same Information.

Surely there would have to be a better method a more full proof plan.

To convince me, all god would have to do is appear before me. I couldn't reject it then. It would be what I would require. If there was a god, god would know that this is the only way I would accept god's existence. That might not be required by anyone, but we are not talking about everyone, we are only talking about me. God would know this, so wouldn't that be the perfect method? Yes for me it would be, but god still hasn't, and I can pretty much assume it will never happen. I would be honest about it. Why reject something that has been shown to you? I wouldn't and it would be the proof I require. I wouldn't need to convince anyone else that it happened.

... You can even use me as an example if you want....I can't think of anything that would lead me to believe God wasn't real. ...

In other words, you are saying that facts and reason are irrelevant to your belief in god. You are determined to believe in god, no matter what, and dogmatically adhere to this. So that there is no point in trying to reason with you, because reason is irrelevant to your belief.

Form is irrelevant (not true Nature) Phenomena !!!

CODE is TRUE NATURE

Ok here's what I believe. God's overriding goal is to bring people to a knowledge of Him, while persevering our free will.

Some people will ONLY come to know God by going through things you might consider evil/bad/painful/traumatic/whatever. If the ONLY way God can bring someone to a knowledge of Himself, is by that, then that's what He'll do. Why? Because any amount of pain/evil on this earth is infinitesimally small when compared to eternity in heaven.

Some people will come to a knowledge of God without facing anything too too traumatic. I suppose these are people like me. The worst thing to ever happen to me was breaking my tibia fibula in a HS football game my junior year. I accepted God during middle school. A traumatic/evil/painful experience was not necessary for me to come to a knowledge of God. Now, that being said, if I ever do go through something like that then I can only conclude it will be for someone else's benefit, such that, had they not seen/heard/known about what happened to me, they would not have come to a knowledge of God.

So to sum up evil is not essential to have a knowledge of God, for SOME people, others MUST experience such things before they'll come to a knowledge of God.

God cannot force us to do things but He does know what we'll do in EVERY situation. Therefore with that knowledge if a situation exists that will allow us to come to know Him, then we will find ourselves in that situation. That being said, there are many people who given every situation that could possibly exist, will still not ever accept God. Not because He doesn't love them or want them to, but because NO set of conditions exists, such that they will freely accept God.

Babies are not stuck in limbo, they are in heaven as I stated IMO.

If you would like to know anything else about my personal beliefs I'd be more than happy to clarify/answer them as best I can.

...why does a god with his all mighty power and his immaculate goodness allow evil to exist?

Almost there. As much as I completely agree, that "patterns result from Code"... as much as I really believe that and want so badly to claim it as truth... as much as I believe that... I cannot say that with certainty.

The reason is that we have not found the code. When we find that code then I will proclaim it upon every mountain top. Until we find that code, I can only deduct and induct.

We have not yet found the code of the Universe.

But at least we have found one code... the code of life... DNA... It meets every standard of code that Shannon protocols require. It's as much a code as French, English, Binary, or Piglatin.

And one thing we know of Codes, is that all codes have sentient authors. Thus, DNA... Life was Authored. That Author cannot possibly be Human.



Almost there... Code is a physical thing. It is made of the very same energy/matter form phenomena that you don't believe in. It therefor cannot be the True Nature. But, I know what you mean... Please understand, the medium is not the message.

Information is True Nature. Code allows us to see that. Information is the essence behind the code. Code is the only way we can know if Information is present. No code = No Information.

The code on this page allows me to see the Information within your mind. But these silly letters are not Information. They only reference Information. These words are not your thoughts. These words represent your thoughts. We cannot touch the Information. We cannot touch your thoughts. Information is Immaterial. Your thoughts are Immaterial. We can only touch the Code, because it is physical.

There are so many contradiction in your stated belief I have trouble knowing exactly how to reply. You appear to invent this illogical god as questions are posed. Im so glad you came to your god with such ease and that god decided to allow that child access to heaven with so much pain but no knowledge of him. So how must I suffer to be able to gain gods image?

So its decided by your view that evil was not a necessity. So why does a god with his all mighty power and his immaculate goodness allow evil to exist?