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The Hot Stove League

 
 
Dartagnan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2004 03:24 pm
Well, now that they've destroyed that ball, nothing can top the Cubs. Though adding Maddux to their rotation will probably do more for them than last night's ritual...

Meanwhile, back in Yankeeland, looks like Bernie Williams will be out of action for a while. Thank god, Andruw Jones is nailed down in Atlanta--I'm sure Steinbrenner is uneasy right now.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 12:12 pm
Well, it looks like the (expletive deleted by author) is hitting the fan re steroids: Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield seem especially vulnerable.

I wonder what will come of it. My prediction: not much...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 01:01 pm
its a quandary for MLB: should they eradicate their long-kept dirty little secret, or continue covering it up for the sake of gate sales?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 01:11 pm
It is indeed a problem. I'm sure the powers-that-be are rooting for Bonds to make a strong effort to break Aaron's career homer record. Aaron has already made a statement about something being done about steroids.

The tension will be between pleasing the fans (many, if not most, could probably care less as long as the big guys hit homers) and the integrity of the game. Whatever that means anymore...
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 02:43 pm
Anybody got a current picture of the slimmer/trimmer Giambi Question
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:19 pm
Jason Giambi, 1991:

http://msn.espn.go.com/i/page2/photos/040302giambi.jpg

Jason Giambi, 2003:

http://msn.espn.go.com/i/page2/photos/040302giambinow.jpg

To be fair, I was a lot thicker in my thirties than in my twenties (and certainly now in my forties), so there's no way to be sure without testing...

...take a look also at Jeff Bagwell, who is by his own admission, down 22 lbs. from last season and noticeably smaller all over...
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:23 pm
PD, he supposedly reported to 2004 spring training much slimmer and trimmer....
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:24 pm
It's true that we thicken as we age, but steroids create a certain kind of thickening, I believe. Bonds is a good example. He is, shall we say, a bit oddly proportioned...
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:39 pm
you mean, not like the Babe who got his proportionality from beer Smile
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 03:44 pm
Yeah, the Babe earned his shape the old-fashioned way. What he achieved in that regard, though, I doubt helped him too much as a power hitter!
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 05:38 pm
Actually D' the Babe didn't fall off real bad until he was in his last two full years when he was 38 and 39........

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ruthba01.shtml
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 05:50 pm
True, Bill. I just meant that indulging in beer and hot dogs, though they changed his shape, probably didn't improve his game. In other words, he did well despite his diet...
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 3 Mar, 2004 05:56 pm
Wow, what do you think he would have done with proper behavior, diet and 'roids Question If I remember correctly, he died at 50...............
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 06:59 am
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2004-03/11657473.jpg
he looks like a frickin' string bean!

if the babe had a personal trainer and lived a squeeky-clean lifestyle he probably would've hit upwards of 1000 dingers...
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 10:08 am
From the Astros Grapefruit League HQ in Kissimmee (read as I ingested my ginseng, CoQ10, and glucosamine/chondroitin):

Quote:
OK, so who's next up to fall under the spell of 300-game winner Roger Clemens? Wade Miller? Tim Redding? Perhaps you, Roy Oswalt?

Andy Pettitte was taken under Clemens' wing shortly after the Rocket was dealt to the Yankees before the 1999 season, the two became workout buddies and the rest is history. They won two World Series together (1999 and 2000), they played in four Fall Classics together (2001 and 2003 in addition to '99 and '00) and now they're riding in like the Lone Ranger and Tonto to inject some adrenalin into their hometown. So how about it? Anybody going to join Clemens -- and Pettitte now, too -- in their now legendary workout program? "I might -- after I get in shape more," Oswalt joked. He added, though, that he may watch one of their workouts before actually deciding whether to participate. As for Clemens, look out: One thing he noticed Sunday was a lot of junk food bags near some of the younger players' lockers. "There's nothing wrong with fast food, but I see all of these wrappers," Clemens said. "I remember I'd eat a cheeseburger on purpose in front of Dwight Evans (in Boston) in the locker room and then go out and pitch a shutout, and he's doing the ginseng. That's where I'm at now."
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 10:24 am
That Astros staff could be scary this coming season!

Re Giambi: I read in today's NY Times that his trainer will not be rehired by the Yankees. I didn't even realize that the team paid for his personal trainer. Took about deep pockets...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 11:14 am
i thought i had read that they both came over from oakland together, and that giambi was paying the salary, not the yanks.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 11:54 am
That's what I thought too, Region, but today's Times suggests otherwise...
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 01:52 pm
semantics:

yanks pay giambi.
giambi pays trainer.
ergo yanks pay trainer, and reserve the right to fire trainer...
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Thu 4 Mar, 2004 02:06 pm
Well, the paper says he was Oakland's strength and conditioning coach and come to NYY with Giambi. The Yankees employed him as a batting practice pitcher last year, which sounds like a way to keep him on the payroll while he catered to Giambi's needs.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here; it wouldn't be the first time!
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