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The Confederacy was About Slavery

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2011 11:24 pm
You might want to look into the post-Norman history of slavery in England, ionus. They might have banned English slaves, but were perfectly happy with slaves from places like Africa--they were nowhere near as common as in the Americas, because English agriculture didn't have much need of huge numbers of field hands, but there were definitely house servant slaves, and the Brits were huge in the slave trade, supplying their overseas colonies. English hands were far from clean.

"States' rights" was always code for slavery or segregation, when the South seceded and when its successor, segregation, was finally overthrown a century later. When the south left under the "states' rights' banner, that was always the first thing on the list.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 02:55 am
@MontereyJack,
Actually, when you'd studied the most extensive document of the Norman history in England, the Bayeux tapestry, you can notice that slavery was quite common among the Normans.

And that went on and on - at the Council of Armagh church leaders complained that even children are put op for sale as slaves in England. [Source for that: Giraldus Cambrensis: Expugnatio Hibernica; printed in : The English conquest of Ireland, A.D. 1166-1185 - mainly from the Expugnatio hibernica of Giraldus Cambrensis ... ... ... (1896)]
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 04:31 am
@farmerman,
The USA had let an illegal act get way out of hand . Of course they had to take measures to ensure everyone was informed as to what the law required . In the Westminster system, there is no one law, the reliance on Common Law replaces a single document (a Constitution) where everyone can go and read the basis of further decisions . The transfer from the Westminster system to a Constitutional system gave the impression of a gap that legally didnt exist .

Slavery was an important issue but I dont see it as the primary cause . If we could wave a magic wand and the tobacco plantation owners in the south could still have their wealth and free the slaves, then the war still would have been fought over the issue of sates rights as opposed to the Federal Governement in Washington . There still exists to this day left over sentiment that the Feds are up to something . The North would still have fought the war to prevent the Union from fracturing . No one really wanted to free the slaves, and their was even talk about employing them as slaves in factories in the North after the war...of course that amounted to wishful thinking when they were freed to help the North win....to help the North win.....not out of any altruism or on grounds of common humanity .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 04:37 am
@panzade,
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Slavery was not illegal in the South.
If you are surrounded by maryJ smokers and a cop walks past you could be forgiven for thinking it was legal too . It would have had to be made legal, not illegal because of previous decisions and laws from Britain . There is a grey area under what constitutes crown sovereignty and a subject of the crown . Nevertheless, they would have had to enact laws legalising slavery and these would have gone against the Federal Constitution .
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 05:13 am
Th University of Tennessee has, in its Civil War site, copies (verbatim) of documents key to the Civil War. Ive found a word for word copy that was transcribed from a newspaper article that presented the entire Wording of the Crittenden Compromise of 1860-1861. Remember that this was an attempt to stall and reverse any further secessions and prevent any outbreak of war between the states.

Its HISTORY, not opinion. How, after one reads this, can you not say that the Confederacy and the Civil War ws about anything other than slavery.
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The Crittenden Compromise was perhaps the last-ditch effort to resolve the secession crisis of 1860-61 by political negotiation. Authored by Kentucky Senator John Crittenden (whose two sons would become generals on opposite sides of the Civil War) it was an attempt to resolve the crisis by addressing the concerns that led the states of the Lower South to contemplate secession. As such, it gives a window into what the politicians of the day thought the cause of the crisis to be.

The Compromise, as offered on December 18, 1860, consisted of a preamble, six (proposed) constitutional amendments, and four (proposed) Congressional resolutions. The text given here is taken from a photocopy of the Congressional Globe for December 18, 1860.

A joint resolution (S. No. 50) proposing certain amendments to the Constitution of the United States.
Whereas serious and alarming dissensions have arisen between the northern and southern states, concerning the rights and security of the rights of the slaveholding States, and especially their rights in the common territory of the United States; and whereas it is eminently desirable and proper that these dissensions, which now threaten the very existence of this Union, should be permanently quieted and settled by constitutional provisions, which shall do equal justice to all sections, and thereby restore to all the people that peace and good-will which ought to prevail between all the citizens of the United States: Therefore,

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, (two thirds of both Houses concurring,) That the following articles be, and are hereby, proposed and submitted as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of said Constitution, when ratified by conventions of three-fourths of the several States:

Article 1: In all the territory of the United States now held, or hereafter acquired, situate north of 36 degrees 30 minutes, slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime, is prohibited while such territory shall remain under territorial government. In all the territory south of said line of latitude, slavery of the African race is hereby recognized as existing, and shall not be interfered with by Congress, but shall be protected as property by all the departments of the territorial government during its continuance. And when any territory, north or south of said line, within such boundaries as Congress may prescribe, shall contain the population requisite for a member of Congress according to the then Federal ratio of representationof the people of the United States, it shall, if its form of government be republican, be admitted into the Union, on an equal footing with the original States, with or without slavery, as the constitution of such new State may provide.

Article 2: Congress shall have no power to abolish slavery in places under its exclusive jurisdiction, and situate within the limits of States that permit the holding of slaves.

Article 3: Congress shall have no power to abolish slavery within the District of Columbia, so long as it exists in the adjoining States of Virginia and Maryland, or either, nor without the consent of the inhabitants, nor without just compensation first made to such owners of slaves as do not consent to such abolishment. Nor shall Congress at any time prohibit officers of the Federal Government, or members of Congress, whose duties require them to be in said District, from bringing with them their slaves, and holding them as such during the time their duties may require them to remain there, and afterwards taking them from the District.

Article 4: Congress shall have no power to prohibit or hinder the transportation of slaves from one State to another, or to a Territory, in which slaves are by law permitted to be held, whether that transportation be by land, navigable river, or by the sea.

Article 5: That in addition to the provisions of the third paragraph of the second section of the fourth article of the Constitution of the United States, Congress shall have power to provide by law, and it shall be its duty so to provide, that the United States shall pay to the owner who shall apply for it, the full value of his fugitive slave in all cases where the marshall or other officer whose duty it was to arrest said fugitive was prevented from so doing by violence or intimidation, or when, after arrest, said fugitive was rescued by force, and the owner thereby prevented and obstructed in the pursuit of his remedy for the recovery of his fugitive slave under the said clause of the Constitution and the laws made in pursuance thereof. And in all such cases, when the United States shall pay for such fugitive, they shall have the right, in their own name, to sue the county in which said violence, intimidation, or rescue was committed, and to recover from it, with interest and damages, the amount paid by them for said fugitive slave. And the said county, after it has paid said amount to the United States, may, for its indemnity, sue and recover from the wrong-doers or rescuers by whom the owner was prevented from the recovery of his fugitive slave, in like manner as the owner himslef might have sued and recovered.

Article 6: No future amendment of the Constitution shall affect the five preceding articles; nor the third paragraph of the second section of the first article of the Constitution; nor the third paragraph of the second section of the fourth article of said Constitution; and no amendment will be made to the Constitution which shall authorize or give to Congress any power to abolish or interfere with slavery in any of the States by whose laws it is, or may be, allowed or permitted.

And whereas, also, besides those causes of dissension embraced in the foregoing amendments proposed to the Constitution of the United States, there are others which come within the jurisdiction of Congress, and may be remedied by its legislative power; and whereas it is the desire of Congress, so far as its power will extend, to remove all just cause for the popular discontent and agitation which now disturb the peace of the country, and threaten the stability of its institutions; Therefore,

1. Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That the laws now in force for the recovery of fugitive slaves are in strict pursuance of the plain and mandatory provisions of the Constitution, and have been sanctioned as valid and constitutional by the judgement of the Supreme Court of the United States.; that the slaveholding States are entitled to the faithful observance and execution of those laws, and that they ought not to be repealed, or so modified or changed as to impair their efficiency; and that laws ought to be made for the punishment of those who attempt by rescue of the slave, or other illegal means, to hinder or defeat the due execution of said laws.

2. That all State laws which conflict with the fugitive slave acts of Congress, or any other constitutional acts of Congress, or which, in their operation, impede, hinder, or delay the free course and due execution of any of said acts, are null and void by the plain provisions of the Constitution of the United States; yet those State laws, void as they are, have given color to practices, and led to consequences, which have obstructed the due administration and execution of acts of Congress, and especially the acts for the delivery of fugitive slaves, and have thereby contributed much to the discord and commotion now prevailing. Congress, therefore, in the present perilous juncture, does not deem it improper, respectfully and earnestly to recommend the repeal of those laws to the several States which have enacted them, or such legislative corections or explanations of them as may prevent their being used or perverted to such mischievous purposes.

3. That the act of the 18th of September, 1850, commonly called the fugitive slave law, ought to be so amended as to make the fee of the commissioner, mentioned in the eighth section of the act, equal in amount in the cases decided by him, whether his decision be in favor of or against the claimant. And to avoid misconstruction, the last clause of the fifth section of said act, which authorizes the person holding a warrent for the arrest or detention of a fugitive slave, to summon to his aid the posse comitatus, and which declares it to be the duty of all good citizens to assist him in its execution, ought to be so amended as to expressly limit the authority and duty to cases in which there shall be resistance or danger of resistance or rescue.

4. That the laws for the suppression of the African slave trade, and especially those prohibiting the importation of slaves in the United States, ought to be made effectual, and ought to be thoroughly executed; and all further enactments necessary to those ends ought to be promptly made.





AS you can see , it provides for six constitutional amendments (ALL ABoOUT SLAVERY) and 4 others that would support the various FUGITIVE SLAVE ACTS.

Now, if anyone can argue against snoods thesis of this thread effectively, then I want you to be my top technical salesman.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 06:22 am
Don't kid yourself, though, FM . . . the apologists and the contrarians will continue to bleat about states' rights, because they have nothing else to offer. It's like the stupid claim that Lincoln started the war. You provide one historical document after another showing that Florida, Alabama and South Carolina took aggressive military action against the United States almost two months before Lincoln was inaugurated, and they'll still come back to sing that song again. I've provided documentary evidence from the University of South Florida to substantiate the attempt to seize Forts Barancas and McRae on Januay 8th, 1861, by forces of the states of Florida and Alabama, as well as evidence at that source that state forces of those two states had already seized Federal property elsewhere in Florida--and people still come back prefacing their drivel with the claim that the north waged war on an innocent south.

I can understand why some dim-witted southerner, or one with a poor self-image, would peddle this crap--but that foreigners do so mystifies me. Do you remember Mexica? She got absolutely vicious in no time flat in her thread (which ought to have been named "let's hate Lincoln") when i pointed out to her that the south started the war. I cannot for the life of me understand why a Mexican woman has such a stake in that foolishness, but there you are. There's no accounting for infectious stupidity.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:28 am
@Setanta,
Ive seen some reluctant resignation in some of the Ozzian's beliefs though. He no longer has accused me of being a racist xenophobic know nothing. SO maybe some progress is being made. I think that many peoples education treats foreign land (to them) events as a bunch of bumpoer stickers. We do the same and Id welcome the corrections in my training from my CAtholic school days when (as I recall) we still were taught about the xorrectness of Prester John opening the "Dark Continent" to the saving light of Catholicism.

I dont think that many outside of the US realize that we are still going through a degree of denialism here because it is easier to create an entire "mission statement" of the Confederacy rather than accept that its basis was a national wart.
Were still fighting the Civil War in many quarters.

Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 08:36 am
@farmerman,
The "Lost Cause" myth was so pervasive that it is often accepted by northerners as well as southerners. After the war, Lee was offered and accepted the job of President of Washington Collge, which is now Washington and Lee University. One of the young men that followed him there was William Preston Johnston, son of Albert Sidney Johnston, who was the highest ranking Confederate General, and who died needlessly of a minor wound at Shilor because none of his staff understood the use of a tourniquet.

W. P. Johnston had many conversations with Lee, and recorded them (his impressions of them at least), and these with a few other random memoirs of young men who gathered there constitute Lee's memoir legacy--he did not otherwise leave any memoirs. In the Johnston version, it is obvious that Lee's recollections served to alter the narrative of events to his point of view, which was free of self-criticism, and couched in the "gentlemanly" terms which he was famous for using in describing the enemy in that war.

After Lee's death (1870), Jubal Early, who had never gotten along particularly well with Lee during the war, began to tour the South presenting lectures on the excellence of Lee's military skills on what passed for the rubber chicken circuit at the time. He was so successful that he even toured in the North, which was, apparently, sufficiently forgiving to participate in the hagiography of Lee.

At the end of the war, there were many cogent criticisms of Confederate strategic and tactical doctrine, one in particular by a Federal staff officer who described their failures most succinctly. Basically, the South stood on a strategic defensive, determined to defend every square foot of ground (leading to incredible stupidity such as the 15,000 troops who languished in Florida throughout the war, while the North resolutely ignored the state). Tactically, they attacked the Federal armies relentlessly wherever they found them. Sometimes this made sense, but often it made no sense at all.

In 1982, two gentlemen from the University of Alabama published Attack and Die: Civil War Military Tactics and the Southern Heritage. It's the first time that i know of that anyone south of the Mason-Dixon line faced up to the failures of Southern arms. I don't really recommend the book, for two reasons. The first is that they often fudge the numbers without needing to do so. For example, in their analysis of the battle of Shiloh, they show casualties for Grant's Army of the Tennessee for the first day of battle, while showing his total strength including the 21,000 troops who arrived from Don Carlos Buell's Army of the Ohio overnight between the first and second days--failing to include Buell's casualties. That makes Grant's casualties appear to be much smaller than they actually were. (The third division of Grant's army, commanded by Lew Wallace--author of Ben Hur--had not been engaged on the first day, and along with Buell's divisions, that was the force that counterattacked on the second day, so, as attackers, they initially lost heavily before Beauregard's army broke--Beauregard took command after Johnston bled to death.)

That was unnecessary, because even when you compare the casualty rate of Johnston's army to Grant's, the casualty rate of the Confederates was still higher, both proportionately and in absolute terms of total casualties. Given that Johnston brought about 45,000 troops, and Grant's eventual re-inforced army numbered about 60,000 or more, the truth would have been a much stonger argument for their thesis than the doctored figures. I quickly lost respect for the authors when i saw them playing fast and loose with the numbers.

The second objection i had was that they spent so much of the book prating about the Scotch-Irish values of the South, and how that was what condemned them to the ruinous tactical doctrine. I was unconvinced. Nevertheless, as i have said, it's the first time i've seen anyone from the South acknowledging their most signal and disastrous failure.

Not long after the war, an officer who had served before Richmond and in every major campaign until he lost his leg at Gettysburg, Theodore Ayrault Dodge, was approached by the Massachusetts Military Historical Society to present a paper on the Chancellorsville campaign. It was so well received, that he worked it up to book length and it was published to a very successful sale. He also wrote A Bird's Eye View of Our Civil War, the best short work (very short) on the subject, in my never humble opinion. He became, arguably, the best American military historian of the 19th century, publishing works on Alexander, Hannibal, Caesar, Gustuvus Adolphus and Napoleon, among others.

Reading Dodge's account of the Chancellorsville campaign was an eye-opener for me. Every other account of the campaign, including those written and published in the North, have been written from Lee's and Jackson's point of view. Dodge, of course, does not ignore what Jackson accomplished (before being mortally wounded)--after all, he was present in the rear of Hooker's army when the Confederates came screaming out of the woods at a largely unformed line of green German and Polish troops. But reading that book (i was just ten or eleven years old) clued me into the sort of distortion of history which can arise from bias, and a hagiography such as has arisen around men like Lee and Jackson.

If one looks at Lee as objectively as possible, not only does one see his warts, one can see that these were flaws fatal for the success of the "Lost Cause." Lee was one of the finest natural campaigners that the USMA ever produced. But that's about all that can be said for him. My two serious criticisms of him are that he was profligate of the lives of his men, and he completely neglected basic staff work. This can best be seen in the Seven Days. Before looking at that, though, let me recount the reminiscence of an English observer, who, asking Lee about the "genius" of his campaigns (remember, genius did not then mean what it means to us), says that Lee replied that he lead his army to the place at which he intended to fight, and that he believed that he had then done the whole of his duty, and left the conduct of the battle to his general officers. The one time when he broke that pattern--at Gettysburg--was the Army of Northern Virginia's greatest disaster (arguably, the greatest disaster after the Seven Days).

Since this is only tangentially germane to this thread, i'm going to copy this to the civil war thread, where i will look at Lee's performance in the Seven Days.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 03:09 pm
Farmerman wrote:
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...we are still going through a degree of denialism here because it is easier to create an entire "mission statement" of the Confederacy rather than accept that its basis was a national wart.


Well put. It's maddening.
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 04:15 pm
What's maddening is to post 18 pages of scholarly work and original documents and not have one person say: "I was mistaken in my view of the Confederacy. Snood's premise is true"
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 04:20 pm
@panzade,
I thought Snood and Farmerman just said that.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 06:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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So the Normans left written documents in England from which you can quote?

Yes .


The Laws of William the Conqueror
I prohibit the sale of any man by another outside the country on pain of a fine to be paid in full to me.

http://www.angevin.org/norman_law.htm
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
My original post below .

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Until 1102 Brits were still being sold as slaves, "young men and maidens whose beauty and youth might move the pity of the savage, bound together with cords, and brought to market to be sold" (William of Malmesbury).
One man was about to change this. Born in Lombardy, Abbot of Bec, Anselm had been in England on business, when, in 1093, he was dragged before William Rufus, the King of England, and told he would be Archbishop of Canterbury. A pastoral staff was forced into his hand. William II regretted his decision almost immediately. Anselm had backbone. "Christ is truth and justice and he who dies for truth and justice dies for Christ" he wrote. He insists that the Church install him, not the King, and repeatedly challenges the King's injustice.
After Henry becomes King, and despite having to make several long, hard journeys to Rome since Henry is as argumentative as his brother about his royal prerogative, Anselm calls a national church council. In 1102 they meet in London on the small island of Thorney, where the abbey of Edward the Confessor stands. At the Council of Westminster the British clergy condemn slavery as contrary to Christ's teaching and declare, "Let no one hereafter presume to engage in that nefarious trade in which hitherto in England men were usually sold like brute animals."
Unlike most councils this one has an effect. Slavery ends, probably because slavers in that century were afraid of one thing: Excommunication and the damnation of their immortal souls should they violate the ruling.


Of course atheists would have been more concerned with profit, and making something illegal doesnt always stop it out right .

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"States' rights" was always code for slavery or segregation
States rights was always code for profit . Being beaten in a war went a long way to making segregation, slavery didnt promote segregation after emancipation .

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English hands were far from clean.
I would back peddle if I gave that impression but I dont believe I did...it is an unreasonable inference .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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when you'd studied the most extensive document of the Norman history in England, the Bayeux tapestry
Seriously ? A cloth (it is not actually a tapestry) that shows the invasion and take over of Anglo-Saxon England is a history of the Normans ? I dont believe that . It is a snapshot only .

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at the Council of Armagh church leaders complained that even children are put op for sale as slaves in England.
Irish prisoners of war and I have already said slavery continued in Scotland and Irleand . What is your point ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:21 pm
@farmerman,
I just dont get you ....that document is all about preventing secession.....thats all it is about.....slavery is a means of power and money . The north is interested in the power of the Union and the South is interested in the money to be made by secession . States rights are at stake . That you only see slavery as the issue is more a reflection of seeing words rather than meaning .

Talk of using the slaves as factory workers in the North stems from destroying the South but not freeing the slaves . Many things were considered to prevent the break up of the Union . You are engaged in selective reading.....a bad practice for an historian .

The South maintained that it had the right to secede...and it did have that right . To hide the power politics and to aid the war effort the slaves were freed, but rather reluctantly . If it was about freeing the slaves, it would have been done straight away, wouldnt it ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:37 pm
@Setanta,
Timeline :
November, 1860 - The election of Abraham Lincoln .
December 20, 1860 - South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union .
February, 1861 - By the time of the convening of a constitutional convention to establish the Confederacy six other states had joined South Carolina .
April 11, 1861 - On the afternoon, waving a white flag, two members of General Beauregard's staff were rowed across Charleston's harbor to Fort Sumter carrying a written demand for surrender.

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I've provided documentary evidence from the University of South Florida to substantiate the attempt to seize Forts Barancas and McRae on Januay 8th, 1861, by forces of the states of Florida and Alabama, as well as evidence at that source that state forces of those two states had already seized Federal property elsewhere in Florida
WOW ! You are very impressed by you arent you ? Understand this drop kick.....if the state has not seceded it is a criminal action, not a war .

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people still come back prefacing their drivel with the claim that the north waged war on an innocent south.
Was their secession legal or not ?

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but that foreigners do so mystifies me
You are mystified by door knobs .

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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:42 pm
@farmerman,
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Ive seen some reluctant resignation in some of the Ozzian's beliefs though
Very Happy Thats the spirit ! Keep hope alive !

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He no longer has accused me of being a racist xenophobic know nothing.
How often do you need reminding ?

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I dont think that many outside of the US realize
And as I have said many times before, only fish understand the War of the Pacific because they live there . Ever heard of not seeing the forest for the trees ?

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Were still fighting the Civil War in many quarters.
Very close.....you are still fighting the War of Inedependence and the resultant Laws . The Civil War was a direct result of problems put on hold by the WoI .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 07:48 pm
@panzade,
You are assuming that quantity equals quality . I have been arguing with a pack of brain washed white trash who think they are educated . They have stated nothing but superficial grade 5 history .

Of course the Civil War was about how nice white people are....the winners always write history . They killed almost as many white people in the Civil War as they have in all their other wars combined and why did they do this ? It wasnt about power, it wasnt about money, it was about love.....awwwwww ! I'm getting all teary eyed ! Lovely people dem white folks....
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 09:12 pm
@Ionus,
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I just dont get you ....that document is all about preventing secession.....thats all it is about.....


(((THUD)))),

I understand your desire to be a winner here , but cmon mate, you are just dead wrong, You are just being stubborn and arent even thinking very strait here. Crittenden was about MODIFYING NATIONAL POLICY BY MEANS OF AMENDING THE ******* CONSTITUTION to allow slavery and to pay slaveholders for their "property". JESUS H CHRIST , Crittennden Compromise was COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ALL ABOUT SLAVERY. Yes, it was to prevent further secession but it was BECAUSE of the issue of slavery .



((breathe in--- breathe out... Im a pitchin, but you aint catchin boy, ))

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The South maintained that it had the right to secede...and it did have that right
So, now you have branched out your expertise from just "questioned documents" to include Constitutional LAw??. Lincoln gave a speech the following September after the last state seceeded in June 1861 and he gave some strong arguments why they DID NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT. I suggest you take that argument up with him because its sort of after the fact now . The war was fought and won and the UNION re spackled.

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. To hide the power politics and to aid the war effort the slaves were freed, but rather reluctantly . If it was about freeing the slaves, it would have been done straight away, wouldnt it ?
Im not sure I have any idea what youre even talking about . Freeing slaves in that part of a separated "nation" was percieved as strategy. Lincoln drafted the EMancipation Proclamation in JULY of 1862 and presented it to his cabinet. Seward stated that to propose such a major societal change to the SOuth at that point when the North was getting its ass kicked at Bull Run II would only appear as an empty plea for support. That would be what everyone thought of the EP Unless there were some decent military victory on which the EP could ride from a position of strength (Im merely paraphrasing simply what I know about it). Bull run II just happened and it was a defeat for the Union , so when Antietam happened(barely a few weeks after Bull RunII) it was as good as a victory that was presented to Lincoln(It wasnt a tactical victory). Antietam was often seen as the wars turning point. It was sort of a completion of a "Coral Sea" scenario. Lincoln , under advice from his cabinet, was looking for just such a time to present the EMancipation Proclamation. However,The actual total abolition of slavery actually wasnt adopted for the entire US until 1865, when the 13th amendment was ratified at that time, the war was pretty much a lock and Lincoln had been handily reelected.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2011 09:14 pm
@farmerman,
The phrase "breathless Inanity" comes to mind. Is it me who is missing the point here? AM I in the world behind the mirror?
 

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