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Israel Kills 10 in Palestinian Aid Convoy

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 12:06 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
No. The Berlin Airlift was a bunch of LEGAL smugglers violating a perfectly legal blockade.

You're embarrassing yourself. Please continue.

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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 01:01 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:
oralloy wrote:
No. The Berlin Airlift was a bunch of LEGAL smugglers violating a perfectly legal blockade.


You're embarrassing yourself.


Nope. I'm never embarrassed to point out the truth, no matter how loudly other people squawk in outrage.




failures art wrote:
Please continue.

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That's a request I can comply with. Much better than the request for doublespeak.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 02:21 pm
@oralloy,
Here's a large measure of truth that you can choke on, Oralboy.

Just a little reminder about what the Palestinians are up against.

But do go on and explain to FA.

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From Central America to Iraq
Noam Chomsky

Khaleej Times, August 6, 2004

ONE moral truism that should not provoke controversy is the principle of universality: We should apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others - in fact, more stringent ones. Commonly, if states have the power to do so with impunity, they disdain moral truisms, because those states set the rules.
That's our right if we declare ourselves uniquely exempt from the principle of universality. And so we do, constantly. Every day brings new illustrations.

Just last month, for example, John Negroponte went to Baghdad as US ambassador to Iraq, heading the world's largest diplomatic mission, with the task of handing over sovereignty to Iraqis to fulfil Bush's 'messianic mission' to graft democracy to the Middle East and the world, or so we are solemnly informed.

But nobody should overlook the ominous precedent: Negroponte learned his trade as US ambassador to Honduras in the 1980s, during the Reaganite phase of many of the incumbents in Washington, when the first war on terror was declared in Central America and the Middle East.

In April, Carla Anne Robbins of The Wall Street Journal wrote about Negroponte's Iraq appointment under the heading Modern Proconsul. In Honduras, Negroponte was known as 'the proconsul', a title given to powerful administrators in colonial times." There, he presided over the second largest embassy in Latin America, with the largest CIA station in the world at that time - and not because Honduras was a centrepiece of world power.

Robbins observed that Negroponte has been criticised by human-rights activists for "covering up abuses by the Honduran military" - a euphemism for large-scale state terror - "to ensure the flow of US aid" to this vital country, which was "the base for President Reagan's covert war against Nicaragua's Sandinista government."

The covert war was launched after the Sandinista revolution took control in Nicaragua. Washington's professed fear was that a second Cuba might develop in this Central American nation. In Honduras, proconsul Negroponte's task was to supervise the bases where a terrorist mercenary army - the Contras - was trained, armed and sent to overthrow the Sandinistas.

In 1984, Nicaragua responded in a way appropriate to a law-abiding state by taking its case against the United States to the World Court in the Hague. The court ordered the United States to terminate the 'unlawful use of force' -- in lay terms, international terrorism -- against Nicaragua and to pay substantial reparations. But Washington ignored the court, then vetoed two UN Security Council resolutions affirming the judgment and calling on all states to observe international law.

US State Department legal adviser Abraham Sofaer explained the rationale. Since most of the world cannot be "counted on to share our view", we must "reserve to ourselves the power to determine" how we will act and which matters fall "essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of the United States, as determined by the United States" - in this case the actions in Nicaragua that the court condemned.

Washington's disregard of the court decree and its arrogance towards the international community are perhaps relevant to the current situation in Iraq. The campaign in Nicaragua left a dependent democracy, at an incalculable cost. Civilian deaths have been estimated at tens of thousands - proportionately, a death toll "significantly higher than the number of US persons killed in the US Civil War and all the wars of the 20th century combined," writes Thomas Carothers, a leading historian of the democratisation of Latin America.


http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20040806.htm


oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 03:37 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Here's a large measure of truth that you can choke on,


That was a large measure of off-topic.



JTT wrote:
Oralboy.


Are you under the illusion that name calling compensates for your lack of intelligence?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 03:54 pm
@oralloy,
Not off topic at all, Oral. It's a clear indication of what the Palestinians have been and are up against. They have a major terrorist nation, in the USA, showing what happens to those who don't follow the dictates of the giant.

Where did Israel get all the sophisticated military hardware?

But do please continue with FA's questions.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:19 pm
@failures art,
Why do you hate the way facts interfere with your prejudice ? If you want to be an emotional do-gooder, then hooray for you but you cant fault someone for pointing out the unemotional truth.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:27 pm
@JTT,
If I understand you correctly, Jaded TarT, you dont like war, espionage, counterterrorism, and all the minor degrees leading up to them....if it is committed by the USA. You are happy to take your brand of Stockholm Syndrome and support the terrorists, whilst you rage against all sorts of imaginings committed by the USA and turn a blind eye to the real trouble makers. There are some women, rather sick bitches really, who look forward to a good slapping around...it takes away responsibility for their own actions and eases the guilt they feel whilst giving them a sense of control that their own mind can not give them. You are one of those, arent you Jaded TarT ?
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 06:15 pm
@Ionus,
You're really losing it, Ionus. I'm really not at all sure that you are capable of understanding anything that requires actual thought.

You go off on these tangents of delusion all too easily. Perhaps some professional help is in order.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 09:46 pm
@JTT,
So tell us why you take every negative side to the USA and none of the positive ? Why are Hamas, Hizballah, El Quada, Taliban, and too many to list all superior to Israel and the USA ?
How many Jews were killed by racist Palestinians before WWII ? How many would have been killed this time around if they did not open fire ? Ever seen an oven ?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 12:08 am
@Ionus,
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So tell us why you take every negative side to the USA and none of the positive ?


It's this simple. War crimes are war crimes. Terrorist actions are terrorist actions. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

I certainly haven't taken every negative side to the USA. There are many that have yet to be described.

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Why are Hamas, Hizballah, El Quada, Taliban, and too many to list all superior to Israel and the USA ?


You'll have to tell me. I certainly have never said anything like this.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 07:13 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Ionus wrote:
So tell us why you take every negative side to the USA and none of the positive ?


It's this simple. War crimes are war crimes. Terrorist actions are terrorist actions. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.



Crimes against humanity and terrorism are specific terms that require, among other things, the targeting of civilians.

The US has not targeted civilians within the past hundred years, if ever.

Israel also does not target civilians.

The Palestinians though target civilians every chance they get.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 07:41 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Crimes against humanity and terrorism are specific terms that require, among other things, the targeting of civilians.

So the attack on the USS Cole was NOT an act of terrorism.

oralloy wrote:

The US has not targeted civilians within the past hundred years, if ever.

I'll yield to JTT on this one.

oralloy wrote:

Israel also does not target civilians.

The flotilla passengers were civilians, not military.

oralloy wrote:

The Palestinians though target civilians every chance they get.

Hezbollah perhaps does this, but not "Palestinians." Fighting Hezbollah via starving and hurting the people of Palestine is immoral, speaking practically: counterproductive.

Let's see some more of your mental gymnastics.

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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 09:01 am
@failures art,
failures art wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Crimes against humanity and terrorism are specific terms that require, among other things, the targeting of civilians.


So the attack on the USS Cole was NOT an act of terrorism.


Correct. It was murder and attempted murder.




failures art wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Israel also does not target civilians.


The flotilla passengers were civilians, not military.


When they tried to run the blockade, they lost any civilian status they might have had and became legitimate military targets.

Israel would have been within their rights to simply take them out with an anti-ship missile.




failures art wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The Palestinians though target civilians every chance they get.


Hezbollah perhaps does this, but not "Palestinians." Fighting Hezbollah via starving and hurting the people of Palestine is immoral, speaking practically: counterproductive.


I presume you meant Hamas?

Israel does not fight Hamas by trying to starve or harm the people of Palestine. Some deprivations may occur as a consequence of the war, but Israel allows food to pass through.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:13 am
@oralloy,
Yes, Hamas is correct. My apologies.

You're incorrect about the civilians losing their civilian status and that Israel would have had the legal ability to simply attack and sink the ship. Please provide a citation to support your claim.

I accept your concession in advance on this point.

You're claim regarding the targeting of civilians as being the defining feature of terrorism is also false. At no point, has any American administration (or any other country) operated under such a definition.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:33 am

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2538028/posts

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Left wing US PR firm and the Gaza flotilla
American Thinker ^ | June 19, 2010 | Clarice Feldman
Posted on Sat Jun 19 2010 12:49:08 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by jazusamo

The Israel Project reports on some disturbing relationships between Fenton Communications and the Gaza Flotilla operation. (Fenton's ties to the U.S. and international left are well known to AT readers.)


Quote:
U.S. PR Firm on Payroll of Qatari Group that Took Part in Gaza Flotilla

Qatar-based Initiative Encouraged Action against Israel

Foreign Agents Registration Act document filed by Fenton Communications (pdf)
YouTube video of "peace activists" organizing Lebanese flotilla
More Flotillas Bound for Gaza in Coming Days and Weeks
Examples of previous Gaza-bound ships carrying weapons

A U.S. Justice Department document shows that Fenton Communications, a U.S. public relations firm, has been working for "Al Fakhoora," a Qatar-based pro-Palestinian initiative that participated in the illegal flotilla to Gaza last month and urged action against Israel .[1]

According the group's director, Al Fakhoora has "launched an advocacy campaign to file legal charges against Israel and change the public perception in the West about its actions."[2]

Al Fakhoora is supported by the office of Her Highness Sheikha Mozah bint Nasser Al Missned, the second wife of the emir of Qatar .[3] According to a document filed by Fenton under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, Her Highness' office agreed to pay Fenton approximately $240,000 for communications services rendered from March 1 - Aug. 31, 2010.[4]

Fenton distributes materials through Al Fakhoora's Web site, which includes a Facebook page[5] and a "Flotilla Action Alert" urging activists to oppose Israel's blockade on Hamas-controlled Gaza .[6]

Israel considers Gaza-bound convoys a security risk and has implemented a maritime blockade on Gaza because of Hamas' ongoing efforts to smuggle Iranian rockets and other weaponry since the Iran-backed group overthrew the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority in a bloody coup there in June 2007.[7] Historically, ships bound for Gazahave carried tons of weapons among their cargo. Click here for examples of previous Gaza-bound ships carrying weapons.

Jennifer Verner has more on David Fenton.

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:35 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The US has not targeted civilians within the past hundred years, if ever.


Carpet bombing in Vietnam

Napalming villages in Vietnam

Free fire zones in Vietnam

My Lai Massacre

The Tiger Force massacres

Carpet bombing in Laos and Cambodia

Fire bombing in Tokyo

Nuclear bombs against Japanese

Nicaragua

El Salvador

The Philippines

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Cuba

US official documents that have been recently been declassified show that, between October 1960 and April 1961, the CIA smuggled in 75 tons of explosives into Cuba during 30 clandestine air operations, and infiltrated 45 tons of weapons and explosives during 31 sea incursions. Also during that short seven-month time span, the CIA carried out 110 attacks with dynamite, planted 200 bombs, derailed six trains and burned 150 factories and 800 plantations.

Between 1959 and 1997, the United States carried out 5,780 terrorist actions against Cuba " 804 of them considered as terrorist attacks of significant magnitude, including 78 bombings against the civil population that caused thousands of victims.

Terrorist attacks against Cuba have cost 3,478 lives and have left 2,099 people permanently disabled. Between 1959 and 2003, there were 61 hijackings of planes or boats. Between 1961 and 1996, there were 58 attacks from the sea against 67 economic targets and the population.

The CIA has directed and supported over 4,000 individuals in 299 paramilitary groups. They are responsible for 549 murders and thousands of people wounded.

In 1971, after a biological attack, half a million pigs had to be killed to prevent the spreading of swine fever. In 1981, the introduction of dengue fever caused 344,203 victims killing 158 of whom 101 were children. On July 6th, 1982, 11,400 cases were registered in one day alone.

Most of these aggressions were prepared in Florida by the CIA-trained and financed extreme right wing of Cuban origin.


Want more, boy?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:37 am
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2006/03/pancake_breakfa.html

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/Corrie-window.jpg

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg

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No one can say that left-wing kooks don't have a sense of humor. The Rachel Corrie Memorial Committee of Victoria is sponsoring a pancake breakfast at a Denny's Restaurant this coming Sunday.

As you may recall, Rachel Corrie is the mouth-frothing moonbat whose stupidity proved lethal when she decided to stick it to the Zionists by standing in front of an Israeli bulldozer that had no way to see her. Since her demise she has been derisively referred to by conservatives as "Saint Pancake."

The public is invited to her memorial breakfast. Attendees are encouraged to wear keffiahs so that there can be no mistaking whose side they're on in the War on Terror.

Leftists' capacities for self-ridicule and tastelessness are known to be boundless, but an ability to knowingly poke fun at themselves is a surprising development, suggesting that some of them may evolve to the point of attaining a mature, rational perspective. This is a revelation almost on a scale with PETA's announcement that fish use tools....

JTT
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:37 am
@failures art,
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I'll yield to JTT on this one.


There's no need to do that, FA. You've been thru university, you know how to do research and there's plenty out there. You could at the least tell Oral that he's full of **** because you know that he's full of ****.
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:41 am
@JTT,
I just knew that this particular claim was the one that I knew you'd address with out me, and I knew you'd be able to cite better examples.

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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 11:43 am
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602469/posts


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Rachel Corrie's family appeals lawsuit against bulldozer-maker
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | 03/24/2006 | By GENE JOHNSON
Posted on Fri Mar 24 2006 13:50:10 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by oxcart

SEATTLE -- The parents of a 23-year-old who was killed trying to prevent the demolition of an occupied Palestinian home have appealed a judge's decision to dismiss their lawsuit against Caterpiller Inc., the company that made the bulldozer that ran over her.

"He applied the wrong legal standard and ignored the facts," said Maria LaHood, a lawyer with the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights.

Rachel Corrie was killed three years ago by an Israeli soldier driving a bulldozer. She was trying to stop him from demolishing a Gaza Strip home while the family was inside; though witnesses said she was clearly visible, the army claimed he didn't see her.


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