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Are We To Become A Christian Fundamentalist Nation?

 
 
BillW
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 01:41 pm
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Ralph Reed
Pat Robertson's one-time replacement as chief of the Christian Coalition
It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective.
-- Ralph Reed, Los Angeles Times, March 22, 1992, admitting that he wants to deceive us regarding his true aims

I want to be invisible. I do guerrilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag. You don't know until election night.
-- Ralph Reed, Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, November 9, 1991



The Christian Coalition's Agenda

We should resist the temptation to identify our religious convictions with the platform of a party or the platitudes of favored politicians.
-- Ralph Reed, lying to the public about the Christian Coalition's agenda in 1996


Pat Robertson Disagrees:

"We want ... as soon as possible to see a majority of the Republican Party in the hands of pro-family Christians by 1996."
-- Pat Robertson, Denver Post, October 26, 1992

"You know, I'm a convention, at the Republican convention I'm a delegate from VA. So is Ralph Reed. We're both delegates elected by our state to come to this convention. And, uh, we have another 450 Christian Coalition members. Ah, so to say that we're non-partisan is a little ingenuous. I mean, obviously we're partisan. The Christian Coalition's voter guides, on the otherhand, are non-partisan. The money that is spent in an election cycle is a non-partisan, uh, effort. But I think under the various laws, the FEC rules and so forth, it is perfectly all right to advocate candidates who support your positions on key issues, be they abortion, or family tax credits, or whatever. The Supreme Court has said that's part of our First Amendment freedom. So I, I, I don't deny that we have that right. But so far we have been more or less non-partisan, but I think rather clearly Republican."
-- Pat Robertson, c.c.watch release, August 15, 1996, "Coalition Is Partisan, Says That Advocating Candidates Is All Right"
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 01:53 pm
Lovely people. A joy to know they're out there, working on our behalf. Oh yes.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:00 pm
Thanks, BillW. I ran across these quotations too, but they are few and far between these days. Not much still out there, available to cite. I wonder why.........

Have you run across Pat Robertson's speech? If you do, please post. In the meantime, I'll continue to try. BTW most of the links to the Family Research Council web site which are posted as evidence or source material for the Theocracy Watch at Cornell are no longer available as well. One could say they just got old and are now not available. However, lots of other pages as old and older are available in abundance. One wonders....... Paranoid? Hysterical? I don't think so.

For those who don't know the history, Pat Roberson's speech (at the 1992 Repub Convention) was so outrageous, it is credited by many, both now and at the time, for losing the election for Bush the Elder. I remember watching it on TV, I remember thinking how inflammatory it was, but I can't quite remember the details. Wish I could find it. I have a feeling it's full of evidence about the theocracy agenda.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:07 pm
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Quotations of a Terrorist-Nature from Pat Robertson:
His "Holy War" on American Citizens and their Government;
other Religions; and, in general, anyone he disagrees with...

"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation." (Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, August 18, 1986)

America was attacked by terrorists "because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us." Rampant secularism, the occult, abortion, the absence of prayer in schools and insults of God "at the highest level of our government" had sent the Almighty over the edge. (Statement posted on his Christian Broadcast Network, CBN, web site.)

"The strategy against the American radical left should be the same as General Douglas MacArthur employed against the Japanese in the Pacific . . . bypass their strongholds, then surround them, isolate them bombard them, then blast the individuals out of their power bunkers with hand-to-hand combat. The battle for Iwo Jima was not pleasant, but our troops won it. The battle to regain the soul of America won't be pleasant either, but we will win it." ("Pat Robertson's Perspective," April - May, 1992)

"We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA." (Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, July 4, 1991)

"We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, "We've had enough," we are going to take over." (Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29)

"If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody.... This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious." (Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson's Perspective octavo 1992)

"The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening." (Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 30, 1981)

"Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him." (Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office)

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?" My simple answer is, "Yes, they are." (Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 218)

"There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy moneychangers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?" (Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 227, Word Publishing, 1991)

"The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement... We can change education in America if you put Christian principles in and Christian pedagogy in. In three years, you would totally revolutionize education in America." (Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, September 27, 1993)

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them." (Pat Robertson)

Our question for Robertson is the same as for Falwell: How are you different from a "terrorist"? Why are we allowing Pat Robertson to promote intolerance and hatred towards our own citizens? Why don't we take action to stop this?


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Pat Robertson: A Question of Sanity
(a excerpt from "Pat's Perspective -- Christians and Demonic Influence", Pat Robertson, 2001 www.patrobertson.com)

"I recall an incident from my own life when I was staying in a motel near Seattle, Washington. One morning, when I was in that stage between sleep and waking, an awful depression seized me. I felt that everyone was against me, that people around me were failing, and that everything I was doing was falling to pieces. Discouragement overwhelmed me like a dark cloud."

"As I struggled to wake up, I realized I was under demonic attack. I immediately took control over it and said, "Satan, in the name of Jesus, I cast you forth." The minute I said that, my mind was free and my despair was gone. I realized later that the Seattle-Tacoma area led the nation in suicides. The spirit that was coming upon me was a suicidal spirit, the sort of influence that would lead to such depression that a person would wish to kill himself. I was in an area where many had been gripped by this kind of demon."

- Pat Robertson, 2001
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:11 pm
Termites don't build anything? I recall seeing the structures in Africa when I was in primary school! Shocked
And if he wants to limit government to the sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, he'd better let the Muslims in too!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:22 pm
LOL Hobibob.....very funny. And that last post of your's, BillW........wow. I'm a little worried about the old man. Sounds like it might be Thorazine time.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:28 pm
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Pat Robertson: A Question of Sanity
(a excerpt from "Pat's Perspective -- Christians and Demonic Influence", Pat Robertson, 2001 www.patrobertson.com)

"I recall an incident from my own life when I was staying in a motel near Seattle, Washington. One morning, when I was in that stage between sleep and waking, an awful depression seized me. I felt that everyone was against me, that people around me were failing, and that everything I was doing was falling to pieces. Discouragement overwhelmed me like a dark cloud."

"As I struggled to wake up, I realized I was under demonic attack. I immediately took control over it and said, "Satan, in the name of Jesus, I cast you forth." The minute I said that, my mind was free and my despair was gone. I realized later that the Seattle-Tacoma area led the nation in suicides. The spirit that was coming upon me was a suicidal spirit, the sort of influence that would lead to such depression that a person would wish to kill himself. I was in an area where many had been gripped by this kind of demon."

- Pat Robertson, 2001

Nope, no demons, just not enough caffeine! Wink
The next time he is in Seattle I have a friend who does the dominatrix thing on the side, and would probably cut him a great deal! Very Happy
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:37 pm
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"I recall an incident from my own life when I was staying in a motel near Seattle, Washington. One morning, when I was in that stage between sleep and waking, an awful depression seized me. I felt that everyone was against me, that people around me were failing, and that everything I was doing was falling to pieces. Discouragement overwhelmed me like a dark cloud."


Describes everybody in Seattle. I didn't realize they were all possessed.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:42 pm
I tried, but no takers! Sigh! That's what I get for dating Goths! Wink
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 03:26 pm
giggle
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 03:33 pm
Or a Monkee.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 03:46 pm
hey hey
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 03:52 pm
laughing..............Tartarin, that was genuinely funny. Naughty, but very very funny. Congrats.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 03:53 pm
Last Train to Clarksville Smile
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 08:07 pm
Today's Washington Report from the Family Resource Center

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November 6, 2003
Two States, Two Victories for Marriage


Yesterday, the New Jersey Superior Court dismissed the efforts of homosexual activists to force that state to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and the Wisconsin State Legislature made that state the 38th to pass a Defense of Marriage Act. Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle (D) has said he will veto the just-passed DOMA, though it passed the legislature with a veto-proof majority.

Preserving the sanctity of marriage in America is a day-by-day battle, and we are thrilled to have had two victories yesterday. And while we are mindful that the fight will continue in both New Jersey and Wisconsin, we are glad to see judicial restraint and democracy in action emanating from those states. Both the New Jersey Family Policy Council and the Alliance Defense Fund are to be commended for their work on this case.

There is no greater long-term threat to this nation than the destruction of marriage and family. We simply cannot afford to devalue marriage by making it mean whatever we want it to mean, and yesterday's victories are stepping stones toward a day where both the word 'marriage' and the institution it represents are protected.

As we wait for another court decision in Massachusetts, it is clear that we must act now to pass a federal marriage amendment so that we are not at the mercy of a court system that sometimes gets it right and far too often gets it wrong. We cannot expect every court in America to exhibit the judicial restraint we saw in New Jersey yesterday.

For information on FRC's efforts to protect marriage and to see a listing of what states have taken action to defend the institution of marriage, click below.


More here:

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=PG03J01
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 08:50 pm
bill

Thank you kindly for that survey of Mr. Robertson's mind. And Mr. Reed's rather sneakier one.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 08:54 pm
Made me want to take a shower. What about you, M. Latham?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 09:18 pm
From whence (and when) did the idea appear that marriage was a sacred institution? How long have people been united in civil marriages, at courthouses, on sloping lawns by civil officials? What gives a church the right to lay claim to marriage? What gives a government the right to deny civil marriage to two people, of age and willing? Why are so many of us so unquestioning, so acquiescent, so "civil," in reaction to this travesty -- and at the expense of other decent citizens who just want a civil union?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 09:23 pm
hobit

My response is more outwardly directed. I'd like to do something to the two of them which would necessitate them showering.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 09:26 pm
tart

There is a book out on the history of marriage, but I haven't read it. I'm not sure at what point the church got it's hands in on this one. But I don't accept church authority on any matter at all. I respond to many religious people, but for reasons of their principles or courage or modesty (rare, I know), but I don't accept any element of superior knowledge or status in the institutions.
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