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May I see your papers, citizen?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 02:20 am
@izzythepush,
I really like our Muslim neighbours. I would move, if Nazis lived here.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 02:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Exactly, the muslims in Southampton are lovely. All this rubbish about the Islamification of Europe is just that, complete tosh. It just shows how far from reality the far right in America has become. Jokes about changing our currency and religion should be treated with scorn. A joke only works if there's an element of truth to it, and in this case, there is absolutely none whatsoever.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 03:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Exactly, the muslims in Southampton are lovely. All this rubbish about the Islamification of Europe is just that, complete tosh. It just shows how far from reality the far right in America has become. Jokes about changing our currency and religion should be treated with scorn. A joke only works if there's an element of truth to it, and in this case, there is absolutely none whatsoever.
So if you are claiming that Europe is not becoming Islamified then you are claiming that the Muslim portion of the population is not becoming larger. This mornings Telegraph does not agree with your assessment.

Quote:
Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.
The numbers are startling. Only 3.2 per cent of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4 per cent. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015. In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/5994047/Muslim-Europe-the-demographic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Please present your evidence for review.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 03:51 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
So if you are claiming that Europe is not becoming Islamified then you are claiming that the Muslim portion of the population is not becoming larger.


Well, that depends certainly of what you call "Europe".

And what you think about and why e.g. people leave Christian churches.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:00 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
This mornings Telegraph does not agree with your assessment.


Though I doubt that izzy even looks at the Torygraph - that quoted article isn't in today's print edition of that paper but only online.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
And what you think about and why e.g. people leave Christian churches.
Christianity takes generations to die, long after people stop going to church and stop calling themselves Christians they are essentially still Christians. You have gone down a wrong alley somewhere with your thinking.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:03 am
@izzythepush,

Hey Izzy, do you watch "Curb Your Enthusiasm"? Last night's episode was a hoot.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:12 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Please present your evidence for review.


That's hilarious coming from you. He's not you f-ing research assistant. He knows this because he's Zen.

Loon.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:15 am
@hawkeye10,
From that quoted article:
Quote:

Germany started to reform its voting laws 10 years ago, granting certain franchise rights to the large Turkish population.


That is completely untrue.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

From that quoted article:
Quote:

Germany started to reform its voting laws 10 years ago, granting certain franchise rights to the large Turkish population.


That is completely untrue.
I suspect you need to do some cramming on German citizenship law

Quote:
Second and more importantly in relationship to German history, in 2000, the government passed a revolutionary law that allowed for jus soli, or the territorial citizenship principle. Even after reconstruction of the German state after World War II, Germany continued to grant citizenship based on the ethnic classification of someone as German in contradistinction to France, which has for most of it modern history possessed a civic notion of nationality. This differentiation has led scholars such as Rogers Brubaker to claim that Germany can only conceive of itself as an ethnic nation. Indeed, an ethnic self-conception has not been abandoned by the mainstream conservative Christian Democrats in Germany, who still often claim that Germany is not a land of immigration (kein Einwanderungsland).

Nevertheless the liberal red-green coalition passed a law which allows for both jus sanguinus and jus soli, and non-ethnic Germans can now gain citizenship through birth or long-term residence in Germany . Under the new law many Turkish guestworkers have obtained German citizenship. Even the new citizenship laws, however, have not shed the vestiges of Germany’s past, and the citizenship laws, in their overly complicated and convoluted language, represent Germany’s tortured relationship with its own self-identity and the problematic definition of what German is

http://hnn.us/articles/12640.html
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:37 am
@hawkeye10,
What has that to do with voting rights and the claim which Walter denied? He was responding to a claim about voting rights, not citizenship. Do you think people around here are stupid, or do you post drek like that because you're stupid?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 04:38 am
@hawkeye10,
Okay, either you or I am confused.

As far as I can read on my monitor, you wrote (and quoted) about the "franchise rights to the large Turkish population".

Now, you quote something about how to become a German.

Indeed, non-ethnic Germans can now gain citizenship through birth (with the final decision at the age of 18) or long-term residence (after a minimum of 8 years and a couple of further examinations) in Germany.

But as said, I was responding to "the large Turkish population".
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 05:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't read the Torygraph. Hawkeye is a bloody idiot, he thought the London rioters and the Libyan rebels were the same.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 05:29 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Hey Izzy, do you watch "Curb Your Enthusiasm"? Last night's episode was a hoot.


Yeah I do. The 'Larry I have a sister,' line was fantastic.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 06:34 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

I guess we could scrap the Supreme court and the constitution. Would that make you happier?

Nope, and we don't have to either. I dare you to pick one of these state immigration laws which has been totally or partially nullified by a court, show me one of the provisions in it which has been nullified, and then show me the part of the federal Constitution which it violates. You cannot, because we have only the pretense of constitutional violations, rather than actual violation of anything actually really stated in the Constitution. This is merely the liberals' method of nullifying peoples' right to vote for the laws they live under.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 06:35 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Furthermore, I have a perfect right to desire that there not be so many people in the country illegally from a single location that my culture is alterred to include, in essence, another country within our borders.


Ahhhhhh, just keep 'em talking and racism is bound to rear its ugly head.

Yes, of course. Wanting to preserve one's national culture is racism.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 06:36 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

That's not even a joke is it? You actually believe that bollocks. Fox 'News' is rotting your brain.

A trenchant argument which logically disproves his assertions one by one.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 08:12 pm
@Brandon9000,
I wouldent even try to. Im not a constitutional lawyer like you and Phylis Shaffley. Im just a brain dead 76 year old common citizen not a genius like you and her.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 08:36 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Bollocks, far right demagogues like Bush who want to start a 'crusade' and holy war are the real problem.


Well, Bush is retired so he won't be starting any Holy Wars anytime soon, but who are his successors about which we all need worry?

I do have to laugh though the way you fall right into step with the propaganda, even when it is clearly shite.

The only people who seriously accused Bush of starting the war in Iraq for religious reasons were a few half-crazed imams and Baghdad Bob.

And to think that hidden beneath all of the nonsense about Islamist designs to establish The New Caliphate, the truth has been lying there; waiting to be revealed by a lowly comic book aficionado living somewhere in the United Kingdom:

A group of far-right Christian princes in the West, led by First Among Pilgrims George W. Bush of the US, began a crusade to restore the oil fields of the Middle East to Western control, and to wage Holy War against Muhammadans across the globe.

I was about to write that even you would not contend that Bush believed he was the vanguard of a modern Holy War, but then I recalled your citing Yasser Arafat as a boyhood hero and just recently asserting that Abdel Baset al-Megrahi was innocent of the charges that he engineered the Lockerbie disaster.

The Pope has to be a founding father, not to mention major bankroller. I'm sure Rowan Williams wants no part of the New Crusade, nor do I suspect does Rick Warren either, (Obama would never have picked him for the Inaugural Invocation if he was one of those kinds of nutty xtians). You know Franklin Graham's all over it and there's no question but that Howard and Roberta Ahmanson are involved with the financial side (No doubt the Chalcedon Foundation is somehow mixed up in it as well.)

But do you think the Patriarch is in on it too?
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 5 Oct, 2011 08:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The only people who seriously accused Bush of starting the war in Iraq for religious reasons were a few half-crazed imams and Baghdad Bob.

... and a number of pinko, peacenik leftists right here at A2K, as I recall.
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