May I see your papers, citizen?

I will enjoy watching them pay through the nose in lawsuits and lost business.

AZ has a relatively low overhead for big corporations who manage tons of call centers and other jobs that bring a lot of business to the state.

The biggest issue with the laws that are getting passed is because the voting population believe that Joe Arpaio is the bees knees. We are talking a VERY large number of people in their 70-80's who forgive me for saying ...flock like sheep to the candidate they think will control what they want their state to be like. Therefore, the ideas tend to be short term in nature without much thought given to the repercussion of time effect on them. :/

Democracy can BE that way.

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that:
“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and Warrants shall not be issued, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

DrewDad wrote:

It appears to me that the police can ask to see anyone's proof of legal residency. So I suspect a good many legal residents, citizens included, will be required to show their papers.

Er, what papers? I suppose I could eventually prove citizenship, but I don't actually carry proof when I leave the house.

Right, and allowing the police to find criminals (people here illegally) by showing ID materials is perfectly reasonable.

Choper broadens the discussion to a more common one about requiring all people in the US to carry a national identification card. People have raised this issue of national ID cards around immigration issues and because a national id card might be more secure than a driver's license. National ID cards, per se, are not necessarily unconstitutional, says Choper. But the legal questions around any discussion of a national ID card stem from the question: when, where, and under what circumstances would you be required to show your national identification card?

Following Choper's line of thought, if all people were required to have a national ID card, then would police be able to just ask any person, Arab-looking or otherwise, to identify themselves at any time, just walking down the street, for instance? Choper says that kind of random demand for identification would probably be unconstitutional without some kind of "reasonable suspicion" clause.

I suspect the courts will note a difference between "reasonable" and 'probable cause". Unless someone is willing to take a shot at defining how an illegal alien looks, of course.

Right, and allowing the police to find criminals (people here illegally)
by showing ID materials is perfectly reasonable.

...in your opinion.

I wonder what the courts will think?

I suspect the courts will note a difference between "reasonable" and 'probable cause".
Unless someone is willing to take a shot at defining how an illegal alien looks, of course.

I guess we 're gonna find out!

I suspect that their skills of articulation in ENGLISH will have more than a little influence on the police.

and yet the discussion is aimed mostly at mexicans,
it's always nice to have a readily identifiable enemy, hitler taught us that (insert sarcastic smiley here)

I guess we 're gonna find out!

Certainly will. Hopefully we will also soon have a test case about jurisdictions where police have been ordered to take no action when they find out that someone they have is illegal. I would not approve of mandating that cops turn over everyone they find to INS, but they should be able to do so.

and yet the discussion is aimed mostly at mexicans, it's always nice to have a readily identifiable enemy, hitler taught us that (insert sarcastic smiley here)

DrewDad wrote:

It appears to me that the police can ask to see anyone's proof of legal residency. So I suspect a good many legal residents, citizens included, will be required to show their papers.

Er, what papers? I suppose I could eventually prove citizenship, but I don't actually carry proof when I leave the house.

When I was about 17, walking down a Corpus Christi street, two cops stopped and asked to see my papers.
I knew nothing of illegals at the time. I had lived most of my life in Fresno, CA, and no one ever had brought it up.

So, I looked at them in great confusion. "What papers?" I was wondering.
Once the cops realized I had no notion what was up, they simply drove off.
I was often taken for a Mexican, because the sun made me very dark.
I often wondered what would have happened had they pressed it. I had no ID at all with me.