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@mysteryman,

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Serrano, the owner-operator of a Los Angeles-based trucking company, said about 70 drivers based in California and Arizona had agreed to stop moving loads into or out of Arizona in protest of the new law. He hopes to get 200 truckers on board for a five-day boycott that was to start within 48 hours of the bill's signing.

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_14948945

truck drivers pretty much hate Mexicans, and how they are a big part of the driving down of trucker wages over the last few years. The problem is expected to get much worse as more mexican drivers are allowed onto our roads under NAFTA.

I predict that finding drivers to carry Arizona loads will not be a problem.

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@ebrown p,

All the functional illiterates speak Englush gud.

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About 40 immigrant rights activists gathered outside Wrigley Field in Chicago Thursday as the Cubs open a four-game series against the Arizona Diamondbacks. A small plane toting a banner criticizing the law circled the stadium, and activist George Lieu said they've sent a letter to Cubs management asking them to stop holding spring training in Arizona.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010042900744.html?hpid=topnews

note to the outraged....if you are going to picket a MLB game and can only get 40 people, you might want to call it off. This poor showing argues that Arizona was right to not worry about boycotts.

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This is all very disturbing.
I'm anglo/caucasian. A goodly portion of my neighbors are hispanic, but not all of those from mexico any time recently. Kitty corner to me is a filipino family. A few doors over is a gay white.
Meantime, I'm getting older. The person I want to will stuff to is african american, literally.

I now think willing her my lemon house would be a disservice.

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AriZona Iced Tea: Don't Boycott Us! We're Not From Arizona!

Laughing

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http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2t3-2ANqrg/S9ojRj72UtI/AAAAAAAABUQ/14ha1uEzLyo/25751_383314288266_570288266_3955482_4563141_n.jpg

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@Butrflynet,

Things were copacetic when my niece visited me in humboldt county over years, but for one woman, but never mind. Except of course for the truck drivers taking her as a whore when she was walking my business partner's doberman, at thirteen.

The amazement to me is that the US has no clue how racist it is.

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@ossobuco,

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The amazement to me is that the US has no clue how racist it is.

even if we get to the point were race does not matter hopefully laws still will. In any case we are a race-centric society. That does not mean that anyone who talks about race in a way you don't approve of is a racist. That is how we use the word now, and it is disgusting. It blatantly shows a lack of respect towards those who have the gall to not agree with you. It is at the end of the day abusive.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

U coud LOSE your country, ideologically, real fast that way, Thomas.
If u have a free country, with (relatively) feeble domestic jurisdiction
and then a bunch of intrusive socialists show up and vote whatever changes thay feel like in YOUR country,
stealing it for themselves, parasitically ripping off the rich Americans for the benefit of the socialistic alien intruders.

Yep, I'm sure that's what the founding fathers envisioned when the founded the country. All those nasty, poor foreigners coming over decade after decade with their strong work ethic and large families just breeding voters to turn the US into a socialist state. Just think how great the US would have been if we'd closed the borders in 1800.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Thomas wrote:
Apparently you continue to misunderstand what "open borders" means. In its fullest form, it means that you don't have illegal immigrants to begin with, because all immigration is legal.

U coud LOSE your country, ideologically, real fast that way, Thomas.

That hasn't been the experience from 1776 to 1921, when the United States' borders were open to immigration. For better and worse, America's dominant ideologies in 1921 were pretty close to America's revolutionary routes. The dominant ideologies of today -- 90 years after America drastically restricted immigration -- are quite different. You complain about that quite a lot yourself.

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@Thomas,

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For better and worse, America's dominant ideologies in 1921 were pretty close to America's revolutionary routes.

Because extreme pressure was applied to immigrants to conform, something that neither the law nor you would approve of today. You are not so stupid as to not know this, so I conclude that you are being intellectually dishonest. You don't give a **** about being honest, you just want to win the argument.

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@hawkeye10,

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Because extreme pressure was applied to immigrants to conform

The extreme pressure you talk about was directed at Jews and Catholics. You will notice that there are still Jews and Catholics in the US-- suggesting that the attempt to force conformity widely failed.

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@ebrown p,

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The extreme pressure you talk about was directed at Jews and Catholics. You will notice that there are still Jews and Catholics in the US-- suggesting that the attempt to force conformity widely failed.

bullshit....the overwhelming consensus among immigrants was that they needed to drop the old ways if they were to succeed in America. Their dreams of prosperity were blocked if they refused, and this was clear to them almost immediately. A slight exception was granted the Chinese, on the condition that they existed in a ghetto.

It should also be pointed out that while the first generation of current immigrants often stubbornly stick to the ways of the old country, and are mostly allowed to do it because we are so tolerant, their kids almost always realize that they will be better off of they ditch the old traditions.

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@hawkeye10,

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bullshit....the overwhelming consensus among immigrants was that they needed to drop the old ways if they were to succeed in America. Their dreams of prosperity were blocked if they refused, and this was clear to them almost immediately. A slight exception was granted the Chinese, on the condition that they existed in a ghetto.

Are you denying that was great pressure against Jewish and Catholic immigrants through the early 1900's? Or, are you just ignoring the fact that Jews and Catholics still exist in spite of this pressure?

In addition to Chinese neighborhoods and Jewish neighborhoods, there were Italian neighborhoods (you can still find places in Boston where Italian is predominantly spoken) and Irish neighborhoods.

Your argument has no basis in historical facts.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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For better and worse, America's dominant ideologies in 1921 were pretty close to America's revolutionary routes.
Because extreme pressure was applied to immigrants to conform, something that neither the law nor you would approve of today.

Extreme pressure to conform? Try telling that to the Amish in Pennsylvania or the Hutterites in the Midwest. Their ancestors arrived in the United States before there even was a United States. Yet they still speak German, and still live by their own, way-out-of-the-American-mainstream rules. Pressure to conform, let alone extreme pressure, looks different.

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@Thomas,

My grandmother's parents immigrated from Germany in the early 1900s (I think it was 1908). My grandmother tells stories about being beaten as a child for speaking any German. However in the time, anti-German sentiment was pretty strong.

In my opinion, this was a tragic story-- my family, and the country at large, lost something.

We are raising my children to be bilingual.

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@ebrown p,

Your grandmother's story is consistent with the historical exhibits on Ellis Island. They imply it was World War One that triggered anti-German sentiments and pressure on immigrants to assimilate.

Good for your kids that you raise them bilingually! My parents raised me bilingual-ish by accident when my father worked in California for a few years. It's a gift that keeps on giving.

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@ossobuco,

It amazes me as well,but, what amazes me even more is why some white people hate blacks who were enslaved! You would think the whites would feel empathy for the blacks. The hatred is so irrational.

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@hawkeye10,

You just called osso abusive and disgusting because she is appalled by racism.

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@ebrown p,

My barber tells me they weren't allowed to speak Spanish when she was growing up. Now, we're both trying to learn. I would never guess a lady's age, but that must have been the early 60s in NM.

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