Atheism

@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

well yes, Cameron is atheistic but expressed to House that she believes in the "sanctity of life" which seems to be in opposition to the beliefs of House. A bit confusing in that regard. Can an atheist believe in the "sanctity of life"? I certainly don't.

Perhaps it's code for the abortion argument.

At the time I think it was in relation to not taking a life, though other lives may be saved as a result.

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I reverence life, but, sanctity stretches it a bit.

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@spendius,

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But it serves to allow the atheists to let the idea slip from the consciousness that they have a duty to discuss the effects of atheism on individuals and on societies in which the promotion of atheism is successful which can be the only objective of preaching it.

You missed the point here. The point was that she didn't need to "preach" anything. She didn't promote atheism, she promoted critical thinking.

I think she served her duty as a parent very well here.

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@failures art,

Nobody comes out of that story very well imo. I can't recall my parents ever having taken the slightest interest in what happened in school. I'm not sure I ever gave them the chance. Certainly not whilst eating.

I don't think they would have bothered if I told them I'd learned "What sphinx of cement and aluminum Bashed open their skulls And ate up their brains and imaginations? " by heart. Mentioning what we would come back as after we had carked it was considered in very bad taste.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Nobody comes out of that story very well imo.

She values talking to her son about his experience at school. It does not sound like you are interested in that kind of thing.

How do you believe she should have reacted?

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@failures art,

In proportion to the fraction of the time it took the teacher to say such an idiotic thing is of the day, or the week or the month. And getting the kid to eat properly and make his bed.

I sense people trying to look like "good moms" rather too effortlessly. And fixing the teacher's idiocy more firmly in the little monster's brain. Laurel and Hardy did coming back as a monkey.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

In proportion to the fraction of the time it took the teacher to say such an idiotic thing is of the day, or the week or the month. And getting the kid to eat properly and make his bed.

This isn't one sentence, nor two.

I've read this several times, and I can't understand whisky tango foxtrot you're saying.

spendius wrote:

I sense people trying to look like "good moms" rather too effortlessly. And fixing the teacher's idiocy more firmly in the little monster's brain. Laurel and Hardy did coming back as a monkey.

It doesn't sound like you've got a better idea of what she should have done. I think she handled the situation well.

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@failures art,

Okay. What situation?

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@spendius,

The situation is that her child comes home from school and explains that a teacher taught him a religious concept. The child believing that this concept is science. Now, instead of telling the child what he was expected to believe, she encouraged him to use critical thinking. Then, she and many other parents, sought out clarification from the school.

This seems to stand in stark contrast with what happens when a child comes home and tells their religious parents that they learned about evolution. In those cases, I don't have thee same confidence that the parents would be satisfied to tell the child to use critical thinking.

One day I'll raise children of my own. I think there are challenges to raising children even without the cultural clashes. Having said that, I will not indoctrinate my child. I will teach critical thinking, and let them find their own answers.

This was a wonderful example of a parent believing in their child. It would have been much simpler for her to just tell her son, that we don't believe that rubbish. I think she took the higher road on this matter.

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I rased four children. In doing so, I did not always live up to my own level of expectation. But, I did let them make their own determinations about such matters as religion and evolution. I never told them I was an atheist. I never railed against religion. I also never did send them to church. That's because some of those people have a very smooth way of indoctrination. I think in the end people will be religious or not, according to their own precepts, no matter who teaches them.

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@edgarblythe,

AQll we can do with our kids is to give them roots and help them grow wings.

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@edgarblythe,

I'm not clear on that, eb. There is comfort in following, and then, sometimes, comfort on agitating with a group. This works across places.

What is my point, some of the sturm and drang going on is social at base.

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@farmerman,

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AQll we can do with our kids is to give them roots and help them grow wings.

I don't get to see you waxing poetic very often Mr Agrarian.
That's good to me.

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@panzade,

Ive been doing a doobie, so I dont remember much about what I write but I dooo know that I need some fuckin potato chips.

I dont make anything up, I merely steal from little known sources.

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

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AQll we can do with our kids is to give them roots and help them grow wings.

I don't get to see you waxing poetic very often Mr Agrarian.
That's good to me.

It's an odd metaphor. Not going to get airborne if you're rooted to the earth. I say we replace "wings" with "fruit."

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@failures art,

even a plane lands every so often. So, in effect, it too has ROOTS. Stop overthinking it, its just bullshit anyway.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

even a plane lands every so often. So, in effect, it too has ROOTS. Stop overthinking it, its just bullshit anyway.

Bullshit is good manure. Good for growing strong roots! I was having sport with you. Here. I got you a gift.

http://www.taquitos.net/im/sn/Utz-PC.jpg

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@failures art,

UUUUUTZ, we cant get any Herrs or Utz down here on the Delaware Coast. They only carry these goddam greasy things

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@farmerman,

Injustice! I could tolerate Delaware with it's damn tolls, but no UTZ? I'm prepared to put the nuclear option on the table.

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Did I ever mention I love Farmer? Probably, and it is of little import. Still. It's there. In real life, we'd spit, but so many times, he posts for me.

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