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@fresco,

Your paranoia is really pathetic. I was responding to the content of a recent post you made. None of what you are blathering about is on topic for this thread. So when you sneer about whether or not i'm paying attention and staying on topic, it is just more of your typical, sneering insult, and irrelevant pomposity. I really have no objection to digression. I do object to being taken to task with snotty insults from you about being on topic, in a thread in which you have never been on topic. It's your snotty attitude i object to, your groves of academe arrogance, not the content of your posts. Of course, if i think your posts are full of horsepo0p, i'll say that, too. As for "King of Insults," i give as good as i get, Whiner.

This thread was trashed before it was one page long, because so many people seem to have some obsessive need to yell at atheists. Others just can't abide contradiction, Mr. Poor Get Fresco.

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@Setanta,

Next !

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That's right, pat yourself on the back and declare yourself the winner. Puerile "emoticons" are about all you've got going for you now.

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@Olivier5,

You could me a favor here by beating Set about the the head with Voltaire's Poème sur le désastre de Lisbonne. I'm too shallow to do it myself ! Wink

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@fresco,

I think Set knows already that life is messy and unjust, with no Providence to help us make sense of it.

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@Olivier5,

The interesting historical point with respect to atheism is Levinas's endorsement of Voltaire following the Holocaust. Yet "believers" (particularly Jehovah's Witnesses I understand) are reported to have strengthened their faith as a result of their experience in the camps. I suggest that this point seriously undermines any appeal to "logicality" by atheists seeking to rationalize their position.

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I'll speak for Fresco in that JLNobody doesn't mock him. I don't know enough or care enough to agree with either re their philosophies, but, yea, I'm an atheist, so I get to be in this thread. I have sometimes understood JL , who is a close friend, but almost never have understood Fresco. Doesn't mean dislike. On Set, in general I often listen and nod, but sometimes need to wrap myself in woolies for protection. I'll go so far as to say I may still like him, subject to variation. I know he doesn't give a ****. On the major pages flying with Frank forevermore and now Layman and A. (I forget the spelling), I simply see it as thread blasting into ballooning. I know I said I didn't take that latter two as trolls, but they grew into it.

I get it that latecomers didn't get the background and want to talk. Move it.

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@ossobuco,

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On Set, in general I often listen and nod, but sometimes need to wrap myself in woolies for protection.

Jo, your fine non-confrontational self may sit and take his incessant attacks on you as a "stupid drunk," but I won't. He tries to do it to everyone, and I don't like it WHOEVER he is doing it too, but especially not to those I like or to me. I will retaliate. Call that "trolling," if you want.

I just call it common sense, and a refusal to sit by and watch others get abused by a bully.

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@layman,

Oh, I don't call that trolling by you..

I was off on the matter of pages and dozens of pages of stuff I don't care about whatever, boring to some of us atheists, who are trying to talk over some years now.

Set doesn't argue forever either. Snort, we may have that in common.

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@ossobuco,

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boring to some of us atheists, who are trying to talk over some years now.

Think about what you're actually saying here, Jo. Weeks go by without a single post being made in this thread. Nobody is trying to "talk over" anybody then. Then someone will make a post that gets some response. It is NEVER by someone trying bring up the tribulations they've had as atheist.

Nonetheless it will get a response, and then some actual discussion ensues. And people are interested in what's being said (otherwise there would be no response). If you want to "reserve" it for ONLY what you want to see, then it will just revert back to what it has become in that respect. I.e., a thread where no one ever says anything.

I have trouble seeing what you are complaining about.

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@ossobuco,

I need to admit I don't get unending philosophy discussions. I am so glad I wasn't a philosophy major, though some of my best friends..

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@fresco,

fresco wrote:

The interesting historical point with respect to atheism is Levinas's endorsement of Voltaire following the Holocaust. Yet "believers" (particularly Jehovah's Witnesses I understand) are reported to have strengthened their faith as a result of their experience in the camps. I suggest that this point seriously undermines any appeal to "logicality" by atheists seeking to rationalize their position.

Logic can be personnal. My own take on the Holocaust is that it's a proof that the gods, if they exist, don't mind anymore for us than we mind for a colony of ants. There is no such thing as Providence, no god providing and protecting us.

Others have indeed taken another view. One leading Jewish narrative is that God wanted to gather the Jews in Palestine again, and used Hilter as a tool. Hitler as God's servant is a rather odd thought to me but hey... It's personnal. A classic too: Attila was seen as the scourge of God, a tool used to punish bad Christians.

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@layman,

I get that, as the original point has been blotched at, but some of us carry on.
I get much of the side talk as I am myself a primo digresser.

We don't like it being obliterated.

I could talk about my very very odd life in Albuquerque in a tract in my own circumstanaces.

The thread didn't go that way.
Frank needed to argue.

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@layman,

I complain about multiple pages arguing foo with incessance.

This is nothing compared to another thread where I feel like doing harakiri.

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@layman,

Just because we are quiet doesn't mean we need dozens of pages of guff. We are still here.

Not everyone with a brain here is loud.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

I get that, as the original point has been blotched at, but some of us carry on.
I get much of the side talk as I am myself a primo digresser.

We don't like it being obliterated.

I could talk about my very very odd life in Albuquerque in a tract in my own circumstanaces.

The thread didn't go that way.
Frank needed to argue.

Why are you singling me out on this.?

What Layman said is very true. This thread will go for weeks without a post...but the moment someone discussing something the atheists dislike, suddenly the lot of them become proprietary.

The thread is open to everyone...and Kris started a discussion with a non-atheist the very first day the thread was posted.

In any case, this thread is less "obliterated" by non-atheist discussing the things they are discussing...than by atheists who think a thread like this can remain atheistic property.

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@Frank Apisa,

Because you never shut up.

People need room to consider, one way or another or none of that.

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@ossobuco,

ossobuco wrote:

Because you never shut up.

People need room to consider, one way or another or none of that.

Neither do you, Ossobuco. Neither do you.

You are a constant scold...seemingly searching threads in order to find something to complain about.

My posts in this thread (before this idiotic nonsense going on with Timur) were appropriate and reasonable.

If you want quiet...you shut up! You are making as much noise as anyone else here.

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@ossobuco,

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Not everyone with a brain here is loud.

Of course not. But that's not even the issue.

Maybe I'm imagining things, but it seems to me that the more people have "stood up to," and challenged these blustering bullies, the more they have actually toned things down. It's good for everybody, in the long run.

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None of us got a chance to talk about our real lives.

Some are naturally quiet.

Some are afraid.

Of course they could have, if there wasn't all the blasting, that throws people off, close to immediately re the thread.

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