timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:03 pm
Frank wrote:
Sorry, Fresco...I've got to continue beating on Timur.
You are a wanker, Frank, and there's only one thing you beat..
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:15 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
Best to keep it there, but if you want to intrude here, I will be here for you.
As my offer was dismissed, I'll keep pointing out what a boaster and a sucker you are.


Your offer was not dismissed.

Take it back to the other thread...and we leave these people alone...unless we have something to say about atheism.

But you are not getting the last word anywhere. You started this nonsense...and I will finish it.
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Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:15 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
Sorry, Fresco...I've got to continue beating on Timur.
You are a wanker, Frank, and there's only one thing you beat..


Nah...there are several things I beat.

One of them is you!
timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You are being beaten already, Frank.

Not that you'll admit that..
timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:19 pm
Frank wrote:
unless we have something to say about atheism.
One thing I have to say is that you are quite ignorant about what atheism is.

Your crappy wild guesses demonstrate it clearly.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:19 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

You are being beaten already, Frank.

Not that you'll admit that..


Hope and delusion run high with you, Timur. It is one of your lovable qualities.

Maybe that is why I like you so much...even considering that sour look on your avatar face.



Wink
Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:20 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
unless we have something to say about atheism.
One thing I have to say is that you are quite ignorant about what atheism is.

Your crappy wild guesses demonstrate it clearly.


You like to suggest ignorance in anyone who does not agree with you, Timur. It saves you from having to face that people disagreeing are not doing so from ignorance.

C'mon...smile.
Wink
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timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I wouldn't have thought that you were such a low life, intellectually speaking.

What a load of crap!
Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:21 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

I wouldn't have thought that you were such a low life, intellectually speaking.

What a load of crap!


Yeah...but when you ill-advisedly started this nonsense, I knew you would easily be lead down the path to this kind of stuff.

I was right!
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timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:24 pm
Frank wrote:
You like to suggest ignorance in anyone who does not agree with you, Timur. It saves you from having to face that people disagreeing are not doing so from ignorance.
Don't turn around the spot, Frank, your assertions are crap based on fundamental ignorance on how people work.

You have little comprehension of you what you call "fellow human beings".
timur
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:26 pm
Frank wrote:
Yeah...but when you ill-advisedly started this nonsense, I knew you would easily be lead down the path to this kind of stuff.

I was right!
Nothing could be more wrong than the crap you post.

You are a lame liar and you cannot do anything about that..
Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:28 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
You like to suggest ignorance in anyone who does not agree with you, Timur. It saves you from having to face that people disagreeing are not doing so from ignorance.
Don't turn around the spot, Frank, your assertions are crap based on fundamental ignorance on how people work.

You have little comprehension of you what you call "fellow human beings".


Timur...you are "turning around the spot!"

You suggest ignorance on the part of many people...and you do it often.

Bad habit...tough to break.

But most people are not disagreeing with your nonsense because they are ignorant. Quite the opposite most times.

Keep on comin'! I'm going to miss you when you finally cave!


Wink
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Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:29 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
Yeah...but when you ill-advisedly started this nonsense, I knew you would easily be lead down the path to this kind of stuff.

I was right!
Nothing could be more wrong than the crap you post.

You are a lame liar and you cannot do anything about that..


I'm not a liar.

But you are someone who likes to call people liars.

I guess you learned about debate in a sandbox.
timur
 
  2  
Tue 12 May, 2015 12:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The same place where you learned your limited vocabulary?
fresco
 
  2  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:04 pm
@timur,
Laughing
I just read Frank's pretentious nonsense about "God detection" on the other thread. Since he would be first to brag that he "did not know the true nature of the reality of God's existence" (since he asserts that about all "existence") then he eliminates all possibility of "God detection" by him out of his own mouth. But has he got the brains to see he has shot himself in the foot ?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:32 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Laughing
I just read Frank's pretentious nonsense about "God detection" on the other thread. Since he would be first to brag that he "did not know the true nature of the reality of God's existence" (since he asserts that about all "existence") then he eliminates all possibility of "God detection" by him out of his own mouth. But has he got the brains to see he has shot himself in the foot ?


What on Earth are you babbling about, Fresco?

I see no link and quote.

Any reason for that?

Put it here...so we can examine what you are saying...and see if I have "shot myself in the foot"...or if you have.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:34 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

The same place where you learned your limited vocabulary?


Sounds to me as though you learned your debate technique in a sandbox, Timur.

My limited vocabulary has gotten me published many times...in may national newspapers and magazines.

How about you?
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layman
 
  0  
Tue 12 May, 2015 02:53 pm
@Herald,
Quote:
the subject was if you don't define A


Not, it was not. That was simply your way of trying to "prove" this assertion:

Quote:
the above claim is definitely not true.


And it was that claim that I was addressing. What Thomas said had NOTHING to do with definitions. It had to do with the logical postulate of non-contradiction (which itself has NOTHING to do with definitions). Thomas's claim (which you denied) would be accurate even if no word were ever defined. It is an a priori logical claim, not a posteriori semantical one.

Maybe you should read the posts again, and exactly what I said. YOU, not I, tried to change (actually, never understood) the topic or the point.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 12 May, 2015 05:54 pm
@layman,
Quote:
A tree "exists" if, AND ONLY IF, it is "observed" by a subject. As soon as the observer turns his head and looks in a different direction, the tree no longer "exists." If he looks back again to the same direction and if, then, he sees a tree (which he might not, ya know) then now, again the tree exists (but only for so long as it is being looked at).

There is no tree, no "thing." There is ONLY a perception of it. This is Fresky's "non-dualim." It a strict monism. There is no duality of subject and object, because ONLY subjects really exist.

Pretty sharp summary of Fresco.

Of course, the argument has holes left right and center. The central place given to Homo sapiens is inherited from religion and by now totally obsolete. Man in the image of God, participating to creation by naming stuff... Since Darwin, you would imagine that Man would have left His pedestal at the center of Creation...

It is now in the known that plants can sense their environment and themselves in way that are different from animals but very important to their survival. A tree perceives itself. It needs no Fresco for that. And if one doesn't subscribe to plant perception, how many thousands of animals of how many species live in, on, off or under that tree? Rodents by the dozen, birds by the hundreds, bees, caterpillars and zillions of others at the unicellular level... Many animals have eyes too. I suppose they use them to see, and watch, including trees and bits and pieces of tree. Bark. Trunk. Leaves. Flowers. That tree is a freaking world of perceptions in itself.

And that's only one of many holes...
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 12 May, 2015 06:29 pm
@Olivier5,
I cannot adequately express how delighted I am that you and Layman are challenging Fresco on this core element of his religion…the “central place given to homo sapiens”…the indispensable nature he assigns to the dominant animal to inhabit this small planet. It does seem to be, as you mentioned, related to the kind of place religions give to humans.

Fresco cannot (or will not) see that "hole in his argument"…just as he cannot or will not see that there is a difference between “the REALITY “ and human abilities to perceive, understand, and communicate about the REALITY.

In any case, I cannot wait to see how he handles the challenge I offered here:

http://able2know.org/topic/141106-650#post-5952059
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