Atheism

Oh, i get it now. You're so eager to start a fist fight, that you can't keep track of the conversation. This is the post to which i was responding, which you'd know if you had enough brains to figure out how things work around here.

hingehead wrote:

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I blame a god somewhere for this continuation.

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@hingehead,

I've supported him, he's a really nice bloke, very decent to those of us further down the line.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

(You can dump the bodies in the lake if ya weight em down real good)

Finally, something I can actually use. Thanks.

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@usery,

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I blame a god somewhere for this continuation.

Jeez, usery, what are you trying to do!? Get everybody and his brother to hurl chunks all over this thread, that it? I know I just did. I couldn't minimize that post of yours fast enough to avoid looking at that ugly-ass woman, if, indeed, it is a woman.

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@layman,

You and I know how beautiful women are.

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Frank wrote:

So...he got his shot. But I get the last one.

So you think!

Nothing of that kind, little man.

Same with your lame "wild guesses" and knowing what a real atheist is.

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@timur,

timur wrote:

Frank wrote:
So...he got his shot. But I get the last one.

So you think!

Nothing of that kind, little man.

Same with your lame "wild guesses" and knowing what a real atheist is.

Hey, Timur.

Oh...I will have the last word on this. You can bet the ranch on that.

And are you going to explain to us what "a real atheist" is???

I could use the laugh!

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The one that doesn't need a god to assuage his insecurities facing life.

God is an alien concept to me.

It's not a belief, an absence of beliefs instead.

Laugh away, little man!

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@timur,

timur wrote:

The one that doesn't need a god to assuages his insecurities facing life.

I am a person who does not need a god to assuage any insecurities that may be in anyone's life...and I am not an atheist.

So that first part of your pretend "explanation" is flat out WRONG.

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God is an alien concept to me.

Yeah...well, aliens are an alien concept to me. What does that have to do with the amount of flour in beer?

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It's not a belief, an absence of beliefs instead.

Yeah...like you sound like someone without a belief that there are no gods!!!!

Gimme a break.

Just for the hell of it...let me see you type the words, "There may be a god" or "It is possible there is a god." Put the thought into your own words so we know you are not just cutting and pasting.

C'mon. It should be a piece of cake for someone for whom god is an alien concept!

Don't let it bother you that I, and anyone else reading this, will be able to point to it whenever you start that frowning nonsense about being an atheist.

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Laugh away, little man!

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/crying-with-laughter.gif

Anyway, Timur...you still haven't explained to us what a "real atheist" is...you've just posted this humorous stuff about yourself.

So...what exactly is a "real atheist?"

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Rhetoric is not your forte.

That's why I say you are a little man, with a little mind and mean feelings.

Twisting my words and dismissing sound arguments is your silly game.

I've no respect for nasty persona like yourself.

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@timur,

timur wrote:

Rhetoric is not your forte.

That's why I say you are a little man, with a little mind and mean feelings.

Twisting my words and dismissing sound arguments is your silly game.

I've no respect for nasty persona like yourself.

The really nasty one here is you, Timur. You are the name caller...and the mean spirited one. You gotta learn to control those bizarre feelings of yours!

So...tell us what a "real atheist" is.

(Why am I reminded of Sarah Parlin telling us what a "real American" is?)

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@Frank Apisa,

According to "American Atheists:"

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"Atheism is usually defined incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods"

http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

Hmm, that's interesting. So, then, what is a person with a "belief system" that denies gods? Theism, that it?

Some of these so-called atheists, who believe no gods exist, need to be thrown out of their club, cause, like, looky here, they aint even atheists.

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@Setanta,

One of these days, I'll come show ya a "panic about death," fair enough?

It will be the real thing, not just some slogan on a bumper sticker, know what I'm sayin?

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@layman,

It actually works both ways on atheism, Layman.

For many...it is that they lack a "belief" in any gods. They use the dictionaries that define an atheists as someone who lacks a belief in gods...a definition which ultimately was erroneously derived from the notion that the etymology of the word was a = without + theist = belief in a god.

But that was not the way the word was derived...although I acknowledge it is used that way by many...and what dictionaries tell us is how the word is used.

How these kinds of atheist get from "I lack a belief in a god" to "I lack beliefs" is a mystery to me. Most of them, by what they say...do indeed have a "belief" that no gods exist. Which is to say, they are not lacking "belief"...but just lacking a belief in gods.

Some atheists are much stronger...and assert that there are no gods...the same way some theists assert there is a GOD.

This is why I am laughing at Timur pretending he is going to explain what a real atheist is...because atheists, like almost everything else in this world, come in all shapes and sizes.

But it is fun to watch the guy give it his best shot.

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@Frank Apisa,

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although I acknowledge it is used that way by many...and what dictionaries tell us is how the word is used.

Not according to this site, eh?:

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Atheist: A person who positively believes that no God(s) or Goddess(es) exists.... This is the definition of Atheism used by most Christians, other Theists, and dictionaries of the English language.

A person who has no belief in a God or Goddess....This is the definition of Atheism used by many Atheists. [Note: This site cites polls which determine that only 2% of the people in the USA are atheist, so even "many" of them aint much].

http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic2.htm

The same site gives these dictionary definitions for "atheist;"

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Most of the North American public define an "Atheist" is a person who believes that no deity exists: neither a God, nor a Goddess, nor a pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. This definition is reflected in American dictionaries...because it is the purpose of dictionaries to follow the public's word usage.

Webster's New World Dictionary®, Third College Edition defines an Atheist as "a person who believes that there is no God." Webster Dictionary, 1913 had a more inclusive definition that includes non-male deities: "One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being." 2 So did Webster's 1828 Dictionary: "One who disbelieves the existence of a God, or Supreme intelligent Being."

Websters Collegiate® Dictionary defines an Atheist as "one who denies the existence of God."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition: "One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."

The Cambridge International dictionary of English: "someone who believes that god or gods do not exist."

The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd edition: "Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god."

The Masonic Dictionary: "One who does not believe in God."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist14.htm

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@Frank Apisa,

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How these kinds of atheist get from "I lack a belief in a god" to "I lack beliefs" is a mystery to me. Most of them, by what they say...do indeed have a "belief" that no gods exist. Which is to say, they are not lacking "belief"...but just lacking a belief in gods.

But My definition of Atheism has always been a lack of belief in god(s) at least the ones that have been posited... Nothing more or less. I don't attache anything more to my atheism.

But let me ask you guys...
What do you think about these phrasing?

I do not think there is or there are god(s)?

I do think that god(s) exist.

I am only using these few sites that I have found as pieces for opinion sake And yet they still only seem to muddy the waters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-lane/hitchens-vs-dawkins-agnosticism_b_1235368.html

https://richarddawkins.net/2015/01/atheist-or-agnostic-and-does-it-matter/
http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic
http://grammarist.com/usage/agnostic-atheist/
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutagnosticism/a/Atheist-vs-Agnostic-Difference.htm

https://philosophynow.org/issues/6/When_Does_Believing_Become_Knowing

http://www.consciousaging.com/Awareness/Conscious%20Aging%20-%20Knowing%20versus%20Believing.aspx

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thinking

think•ing
ˈTHiNGkiNG/
adjective
adjective: thinking
1. 1.
using thought or rational judgment; intelligent.
"he seemed to be a thinking man"
synonyms: intelligent, sensible, reasonable, rational; More
antonyms: stupid, irrational

noun
noun: thinking
1. 1.
the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something.
"they have done some thinking about welfare reform"
o a person's ideas or opinions.
"his thinking is reflected in his later autobiography"
synonyms: reasoning, logic, idea(s), theory, line of thought, philosophy,beliefs; More

o archaic
thoughts; meditations.
plural noun: thinkings

Oh frank, I'm still sticking with believe Very Happy

talk to you guys later.

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@layman,

Yup...and I have posted all of those references here myself at various times.

But...I am acknowledging that some dictionaries do give alternate definitions...which include the mistake in etymology that I mentioned.

For example, Oxford dictionary: A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/atheist

In any case, I have advocated for not using labels. Best to just say what your position is in a succinct statement...and let anyone who wants to apply a label...so it if they must.

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Frank wrote:

How these kinds of atheist get from "I lack a belief in a god" to "I lack beliefs" is a mystery to me. Most of them, by what they say...do indeed have a "belief" that no gods exist. Which is to say, they are not lacking "belief"...but just lacking a belief in gods.

Some atheists are much stronger...and assert that there are no gods...the same way some theists assert there is a GOD.

This is why I am laughing at Timur pretending he is going to explain what a real atheist is...because atheists, like almost everything else in this world, come in all shapes and sizes.

So, you should avoid talking about subjects that are a mystery to you.

If you don't understand stuff, why are you pretending "to know"?

I told you already what a real atheist is but you didn't acknowledge it, sidestepping as usual.

Your system of beliefs is one based on treachery.

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@argome321,

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noun: thinking...synonyms...beliefs;

It depends on the context, I suppose, but in many cases, yeah, "think" is used as a synonym for "believe."

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