Atheism

Alright, bye bye.

thank you, praz the lawd

Yeah, Frank, unfortunately that's about the only conclusion that makes sense. I say "unfortunate" only because Arg seems so obsessed with "not being wrong" that it undermines his integrity. I like Arg, and have found him to be quite sensible on other topics. It's unfortunate, for me, to lose him as a person I can communicate with.

This whole subject came up in an offhand way that was not really too significant. The topic was not really "atheism," per se, at all. It was how those with special interests to serve, and an agenda they wish to aggressively promote, will attempt to use mere semantics to serve their ends. They often attempt to re-define commonly understood words to have a whole "new" meaning, and then attempt to rely on the "meaning" to "prove" something which they want to be true.

But Arg provides an excellent illustration of that point. He tries to do two mutually exclusive things: (1) adhere to the stated party line, and (2) avoid inconsistencies. He can't do both, so he becomes evasive, then defensive, then belligerent. A shame.

I have encountered the same phenomenon many times over in the special relativity the that I spent so much time in. People assert what they think they "know" (i.e. what they have been told) about a topic, but are unable to defend it. Then they get very angry.

I think i trounced you on that SR thread...

To be fair, as I understood him, late in the game he denied that he was "adhering to" the party line and asserted that he was merely describing it all this time.

That's fine, but it's inconsistent with his prior behavior and claims, so, even if true, it comes too late--he has already called everybody a liar. Furthermore, despite his stated disavowal of the party line, he continues to adhere to it in his statements, which makes his putative "rejection" of it all the less credible.

I know you do. But that's what's kinda funny about it. You just make assertions that don't hold up, and/or accusations that are unfounded, and then refuse to defend/justify them, the way I see it.

I think you did well here, on the present thread, but you failed to understand SR properly.

Yeah, so you say, Ollie. If you really want to pursue it, we can pick it up in that thread. I think one thing is obvious though--you have not read that thread. If you had, you would see that your presumptions are misplaced. Kinda like Saint Anna, ya know?

What good will that do, since you have concluded I know nothing about SR?

Heh. Truth is, you don't have to know much about SR to understand it's basic premises, so that's not really the issue. The issue is more along the lines of what Mark Twain was talking about here:

I guess Mark Twain knew you well...

Heh, Ollie, I have no desire to get into an Arg-style back and forth with you, especially in this thread. If you truly want to discuss it, make a post there. In the meantime, I will ask you one question. Have you even read the thread? (I know the answer to that--NOBODY reads 54 pages of crap before busting in to a thread and saying what they want).

The SR one? I skimmed through it, yes. Why?

It seems the thumb monkey is back. This time, it's thumbing down both your and my posts... It must like thumbing down very much.

"Skimmed," eh? OK, that explains a lot. Why? I've already said why--scroll up a little.

Don't jump to conclusions, Layman. I can get a lot by skimming through something. And unlike the Setanta type, I generally understand what is being said.

But if you wrote a particularly brilliant post which you think I may have missed, do share.

Okay...curiosity has gotten the better of me.

I wanna know what the SR thread is.

Anyone gonna flesh it out?

Special relativity. Here:
http://able2know.org/topic/265997-56

Actually, here, Frank:

http://able2know.org/topic/265997-1#post-5874793

Thanks, both of yez.

Bartending has been a big part of my life. In fact, I used to teach it at the largest bartending school in the world in New York City.

One of the things I taught was that if you were ever asked for a drink you don't know (a Frosty Foreskin, for example)…and there was no easy way to avoid having to mix one…one option would be to ask, “East coast or West coast Foreskin, Sir or Madam?”

The requester will almost always answer, “I don’t know…what’s the difference.”

Disregard the customer’s question…and ask, “What’s in the one you drink?”

When they tell ya…you say…ahhh, West Coast…and then fake it. Mix up something with those ingredients…and it will do. It always does.

If they ask, so what’s the difference between the West and East Coast ones…you say something like…East coast has a dash of Coke…or East coast uses gin instead of vodka…or East coast is shaken not stirred...or something inane like that.

Anyway…over in that other thread where you guys are discussing Special Relativity...are you discussing it from the American take on Special Relativity…or the European?