Atheism

@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

How can someone who is not religious face religious discrimination?

Because plenty of religious people hate them for it.

maxdancona wrote:

Any Atheist who faces discrimination does so voluntarily.

You're kidding.

maxdancona wrote:

What harm is there is mandating the military cadets "acknowledge the existence of god"? As I pointed out before, God knows that such a vague reference isn't really acknowledging anything at all.

Laws aren't supposed to get enacted because they do no harm. They're supposed to get enacted because they serve the public good. So I'm asking you for the third time: How would this law serve the public good?

maxdancona wrote:

I will point out again. I don't believe in God. I have never experienced any discrimination.

I see. And from this statistical sample of one, you conclude that no atheists are being discriminated against unless they ask for it.

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@Thomas,

The civil rights movement, the one where people risked their lives to fight real discrimination, focused on real problems. We marched for education. We marched for jobs. We marched for housing. We marched for the right to vote and for a fair justice system.

For you to compare these silly words to the real struggle for people facing real discrimination is crazy.

In cases where people are facing real religious discrimination on issues that affect their ability to live full lives, get medical care or marry the person they love, they have my full support.

I will concede the point about public good. It is difficult to make a case that making these cadets say these words is a public good. One could make the argument based on the need for ritual and conformity in a military hierarchy, but I won't make that argument.

Compared to people who's families are being separated or people losing the right to vote or people who aren't getting due process under the law.. this is the silliest issue ever compared to the struggles of Dr. King. (And, given the fact that Dr. King based his movement on equality endowed by a Creator, your use of him as an example is rather ironic).

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@MontereyJack,

Same went for me MJ...used to piss me off every morning.

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@maxdancona,

How can "One nation under God" be so different than "God bless America"?
Don't they mean the same thing?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

How can someone who is not religious face religious discrimination?

They can be discriminated against *by* the religious, which makes it a religious discrimination even though the target of the discrimination is not religious.

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MontereyJack said:

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Take a look at some of the polls that ask questions about atheists, max. Large majorities think atheists are untrustworthy and immoral, wouldn't vote for one, and wouldn't want their kids marrying one (of course a lot of those kids just somehow never got around to telling their parents yet....).

Call me picky but I could never take up with an atheist or crackpot cultist woman, because I wouldn't be able to get the thought out of my mind that those sweet lips I was kissing would one day be crawling with maggots in her atheist grave, and that her soft warm body would one day be a heap of putrefying cold grey slime..
PS- but luckily not many women seem to be atheists, good for you girls.. Smile

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Romeo fabulist wrote:

PS- but luckily not many women seem to be atheists, good for you girls.

Luckily it's just babble. I know a whole lot that are atheists..

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Go girls, go.. Smile

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TIMES ONLINE
Female clergy are poised to become Church majority
By Lucy Bannerman
"Cracks are beginning to show in the stained-glass ceiling, after it emerged that nearly 50 per cent of those training for the clergy are women.
Latest figures show that 283 women were recommended for training last year, compared with 295 men, a narrowing margin that campaigners predict could signal the beginning of a female majority within the Church of England."

Jesus spent a terrible long night before his death, unable to sleep and racked with loneliness as his disciples fell asleep,
But next day on the cross, as he slipped into death his tired pain-filled eyes saw a host of loyal women who'd stuck with him to the end..
"Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed his last. There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene and Salome, who followed him and ministered to him when he was in Galilee, and many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem" (Mark 15:37)
They gave him the last womanly comfort they could by making sure he never died alone..

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Some of his disciples ran off in fear of the Romans, but women stuck with him to the end-

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It's almost as if he knew they'd be there for him, so he made sure he was always there for them during his lifetime-

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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I wouldn't be able to get the thought out of my mind that those sweet lips I was kissing would one day be crawling with maggots in her atheist grave, and that her soft warm body would one day be a heap of putrefying cold grey slime..

Um, don't know how to break this to you, but even good christians' bodies face this fate. No more kissing for you maggot boy.

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Hingehead said:

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[@RF re maggots]-even good christians' bodies face this fate

Yeah at first, but then they get super-duper new spiritual bodies.. Smile

"In the twinkling of an eye the dead shall be raised imperishable and we shall be changed" (1 Cor 15:52)

BOIINGG!

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Awesome, a twinkling of the eye, even those christians that died in 200AD?

Happy kissing.

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@maxdancona,

I notice that even after I asked you three times, you still haven't answered my question how forcing cadets to acknowledge a supreme being advances the public good. And you still haven't told me how Congressman Johnson's bill, if enacted as law, wouldn't blow this issue up into something bigger than it is. (Remember, you were the one who said you're concerned about this.) That tells me you are not making a good-faith effort to communicate. Until you do, I see no reason to continue discussing this issue with you.

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Hingehead said:

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Awesome, a twinkling of the eye, even those christians that died in 200AD?

You got it mate, keep it up and you'll make Pope.. Smile

Incidentally it's not just Christians who'll be raised, it's EVERYBODY including atheists, so they better get their excuses ready-
Jesus said:- "ALL in the graves shall come out, to resurrection or damnation....pray that you will be able to stand before me" (John 5:28/29, Luke 21:36)
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@Romeo Fabulini,

The fear game works well against those who are brainwashed by their religion. What ever happened to god so loved the world?

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@cicerone imposter,

You don't seem to know how out-of-date that stuff is ci.

You need it don't you? You would have nothing to say without it.

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No; that I feel can never be;
A god of hate could hardly bear
To watch through all eternity
His own creations dread despair.

Emily Bronte.

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@Thomas,

I think I explained this Thomas. Johnson's bill makes God less of a religious figure, and more of a cultural idea. The god in "so help me God" isn't the deity to allegedly created the Universe. "So help me God" is a formula for a solemn promise.

The more the word "God" is thrown around in empty cliches, the less "God" is any import as a religious figure. The word "God" shows up in all sorts of places in our language, from earnest hopes to stubbed toes. It doesn't have anything to do with religious belief.

My real point is that this is all kind of ridiculous. There are real problems to be solved in society including war, poverty, health care, workplace and marriage equality.

I really don't see how striking the word "God" from official public language is at all important in the grand scheme of things.

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@panzade,

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How can "One nation under God" be so different than "God bless America"?
Don't they mean the same thing?

They are both generic statements of good will. The specific meanings are different.

"One nation under God" is a statement that the US is good place with good people. "God Bless America" is a wish that good things will happen to the US and its people.

I don't believe in God. I am perfectly willing use the phrase "God Bless America" when I want to wish goodness on the country. I sing along with the song on July 4th. It is a patriotic song and a wish, nothing more.

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@maxdancona,

It might help meliorate the sense of helpless, lonely isolation in which governments are our only hope and consolation.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

I think I explained this Thomas. Johnson's bill makes God less of a religious figure, and more of a cultural idea. The god in "so help me God" isn't the deity to allegedly created the Universe. "So help me God" is a formula for a solemn promise.

That's not how the sponsor of the bill sees it. In his blog, Congressman Johnson is adamant about taking a stand for religious faith and against irreligion.

In his blog, Congressman Johnson wrote:

Our Founding Fathers declared we are, "One nation under God," and you better believe I’ll fight like mad to keep it that way. I can tell you from experience, there are no atheists in foxholes. We are the land of the free because of the brave. Many people don’t know this, but when you survive a near-death experience, you realize that the only thing you had to hold on to was your faith in God.

Source

By no stretch of the imagination is this about the generic ceremonial noise you're craving to see it as.

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@cicerone imposter,

"Do I despise the timid deer
Because his limbs are fleet with fear?"

Emily Bronte.

The way you use to protect yourself from existential fear is polluting the planet.

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