hingehead
 
  3  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The thread has been polluted by you and your ilk. But we try to slap the turds away and carry on regardless.

Quote:
You sure are hung up on the moon and orange juice, Hingehead. Perhaps professional help is in order.


You are a fool if you can't see the parallels between my 'moon is possibly made of orange juice' line and your 'you can't prove god is impossible' line, which it is only ever posted in response to - so if I'm hung up and need professional help perhaps you should take that as a self-diagnosis.

I suspect you are merely holding your hands to your ears, and yelling 'lalalalalalalala I can't hear you'.


Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:21 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Christ, we've been Frank obliterated.

Shut up, Frank, not to stop your civil rights but to give some of us room to talk.


Please do.
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:23 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

The thread has been polluted by you and your ilk. But we try to slap the turds away and carry on regardless. [/quoe]

I guarantee I have been a great deal more courteous and respectful than you, Hingehead.

Quote:
Quote:
You sure are hung up on the moon and orange juice, Hingehead. Perhaps professional help is in order.


You are a fool if you can't see the parallels between my 'moon is possibly made of orange juice' line and your 'you can't prove god is impossible' line, which it is only ever posted in response to - so if I'm hung up and need professional help perhaps you should take that as a self-diagnosis.

I suspect you are merely holding your hands to your ears, and yelling 'lalalalalalalala I can't hear you'.


I am not a fool.

I am not holding my hands to my ears.

You are babbling...and rudely babbling, at that.
ossobuco
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Son, I know his name. Don't condescend to me.
hingehead
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well you asked that I seek professional help and suggested I 'try to keep up', two denigrations of my mental acuity - so I don't think you are being any more respectful.

And you've completely sidestepped my question about my 'fixation' on an orange juice moon being a need for help, but somehow your greater fixation on 'disproving the unprovable god' is not similarly diagnosed 'babbling'.

farmerman
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:37 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I am not holding my hands to my ears.


But you are Frank, you are. You have yourself in a corner from which you will go no further than your 2 bumper sticker phrases.

I fully accept that WITHOUT A THEISTIC MINDSET, ID doesn't exist.(The US SUpreme Coourt nd the US 3rd District Courts agree with me)

Im more interested in testing the evidence and falsifiability of the underlying conclusions
Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:39 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Son, I know his name. Don't condescend to me.


Don't condescend me, Ossobuco.

Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:41 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Well you asked that I seek professional help and suggested I 'try to keep up', two denigrations of my mental acuity - so I don't think you are being any more respectful.


Well, I am being much more respectful. But I can understand your not being able to see that.

Quote:

And you've completely sidestepped my question about my 'fixation' on an orange juice moon being a need for help, but somehow your greater fixation on 'disproving the unprovable god' is not similarly diagnosed 'babbling'.


I am sure this paragraph made sense to you. It doesn't do me. Try it again if you want me to respond.
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Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:44 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
I am not holding my hands to my ears.


But you are Frank, you are. You have yourself in a corner from which you will go no further than your 2 bumper sticker phrases.

I fully accept that WITHOUT A THEISTIC MINDSET, ID doesn't exist.(The US SUpreme Coourt nd the US 3rd District Courts agree with me)


That is not my point at all, Farmerman.

My point is the other side of that coin.

You cannot rule out the possibility of intelligent design if you do not rule out the possibility of GOD.

That is quite different. Take a close look at it...you will see.

Quote:

Im more interested in testing the evidence and falsifiability of the underlying conclusions


How can you do that?

Do you know there is no possibility of a GOD?

If not...you cannot know there is no possibility of intelligent design.

edgarblythe
 
  4  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I am so certain of your ignorance I plan to keep your religious posts on ignore from this point to forever. All you and spendi are is obstructionists and I am through playing your silly games.
Frank Apisa
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 06:50 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I am so certain of your ignorance I plan to keep your religious posts on ignore from this point to forever. All you and spendi are is obstructionists and I am through playing your silly games.


Sorry you feel that way, Edgar...but there is nothing I can do about that.

I will continue to comment on matters you bring up when I see defects in your reasoning.

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farmerman
 
  3  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You cannot rule out the possibility of intelligent design if you do not rule out the possibility of GOD.
You really must go and find someone who gives a **** about the validity of that statement. Ive alredy ruled out the possibility of ID as anything but a theistic invention (gods are therefore a necessary ingredient)

Quote:

How can you do that?

Do you know there is no possibility of a GOD?

If not...you cannot know there is no possibility of intelligent design
Easy, we look at the RGUMENTS of a technical nature that the IDers are powing (Remember, its their belief and they hve the responsibility to defend it)
They've already accepted "evolution" but as an intelligently directed sourcecode. (That's wht I call Cretionism and I keep asking for the evidence )

Irreducible Complexity hqs been debunked quite easily and I assume the IDers are out looking for other biochemical events to back their claims of Irreducible complexity(SO far no good)

Looking at the falsifiability, I cn use a number of natural sciences to falsify and test evolution > However, ID cannot.

If you cannot(by ignorance or whatever) advance any better argument beyond your favorite bumper stickers, Id suggest you find another thread NOT NAMED atheism.

Do you realize what evidence comprises? and how we base our understandings on it ?


eg

If the blood clotting cascade of protein and enzymes in chordates is presented as 26 discrete and separate enzymatic reactions (AND THEREFORE) Is presented as proof positive of IDs main concept of Irreducible complexity, and then Scientists (working on some totally different project) present a cascade of 25 of these same enzymes and proteins in the next lower Superclass of animals, that seemed to take lots of wind out of the Irreducible... balloon.

No more on your bumper sticker. find someone who gives a **** about "If there weren't Easter Bunniess, there wouldn't be any unicorns"

ossobuco
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I try not to condescend to you, but I can't help it if it happens.
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:21 pm
@ossobuco,
These guys are politely asked to leave the thread, but they are so obsessed that they can't do it. All we can do is vote down their posts.
ossobuco
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:21 pm
@ossobuco,
ok, that was kidding.

I'm irate with Frank pushing his stuff here. Man has no understanding
hingehead
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank in a corner wrote:
hingehead wrote:
You are a fool if you can't see the parallels between my 'moon is possibly made of orange juice' line and your 'you can't prove god is impossible' line, which it is only ever posted in response to - so if I'm hung up and need professional help perhaps you should take that as a self-diagnosis.


I am not a fool.


I grant that - so this is an admission you do see the parallels between my 'the moon is possible made of orange juice' and your endless repetition of :

Frank says in any thread he possibly can wrote:
Do you know there is no possibility of a GOD?

If not...you cannot know there is no possibility of intelligent design.
Frank Apisa
 
  -2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:25 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
You cannot rule out the possibility of intelligent design if you do not rule out the possibility of GOD.
You really must go and find someone who gives a **** about the validity of that statement. Ive alredy ruled out the possibility of ID as anything but a theistic invention (gods are therefore a necessary ingredient)

Quote:

How can you do that?

Do you know there is no possibility of a GOD?

If not...you cannot know there is no possibility of intelligent design
Easy, we look at the RGUMENTS of a technical nature that the IDers are powing (Remember, its their belief and they hve the responsibility to defend it)
They've already accepted "evolution" but as an intelligently directed sourcecode. (That's wht I call Cretionism and I keep asking for the evidence )

Irreducible Complexity hqs been debunked quite easily and I assume the IDers are out looking for other biochemical events to back their claims of Irreducible complexity(SO far no good)

Looking at the falsifiability, I cn use a number of natural sciences to falsify and test evolution > However, ID cannot.

If you cannot(by ignorance or whatever) advance any better argument beyond your favorite bumper stickers, Id suggest you find another thread NOT NAMED atheism.

Do you realize what evidence comprises? and how we base our understandings on it ?


eg

If the blood clotting cascade of protein and enzymes in chordates is presented as 26 discrete and separate enzymatic reactions (AND THEREFORE) Is presented as proof positive of IDs main concept of Irreducible complexity, and then Scientists (working on some totally different project) present a cascade of 25 of these same enzymes and proteins in the next lower Superclass of animals, that seemed to take lots of wind out of the Irreducible... balloon.

No more on your bumper sticker. find someone who gives a **** about "If there weren't Easter Bunniess, there wouldn't be any unicorns"




You are getting all out of control, Farmerman. Get back in control. You are better than this kind of nonsense.

You say you have ruled out the possibility of ID as anything but a theistic invention.

You have not...not in any reasonable, logical way. And I don't have to remind you that reason and logic are what atheists claim to be their mainstay.

The major argument you are not dealing with (because you cannot)...is that the "intelligent design" MAY BE exactly what we are discovering through our investigation of evolution.

"Evolution" MAY BE THE INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

You are not really examining that, because your real motive is not to investigate "intelligent design"...but rather to make a statement about whether or not there is a GOD.

If there is a GOD, Edgar...and if the GOD intelligently designed all this...then the way we are discovering it to be...IS THE INTELLIGENT DESIGN.

There may be no gods.

But you are doing what the theists do...including or excluding what you arbitrarily want to include or exclude.

You are a mirror of the theists. You are arbitrarily ruling out the existence of a GOD...based on nothing but a guess, just as they are claiming the existence of a GOD...based on nothing but a guess.

Stop with the bumper sticker nonsense...and see my argument as a cogent one that has to treated seriously and with respect. Let's discuss it.
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Frank Apisa
 
  -2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

These guys are politely asked to leave the thread, but they are so obsessed that they can't do it. All we can do is vote down their posts.


I will try to bear up under the terrible pressure of being voted down.
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Frank Apisa
 
  -2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:27 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

ok, that was kidding.

I'm irate with Frank pushing his stuff here. Man has no understanding



I've got lots of understanding. You atheists always talk about wanting logic. I am serving a large helping of it. It seems to be bothering you.
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Frank Apisa
 
  -2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2013 07:29 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Frank in a corner wrote:
hingehead wrote:
You are a fool if you can't see the parallels between my 'moon is possibly made of orange juice' line and your 'you can't prove god is impossible' line, which it is only ever posted in response to - so if I'm hung up and need professional help perhaps you should take that as a self-diagnosis.


I am not a fool.


I grant that...


Then why did you call me one?

Quote:
... - so this is an admission you do see the parallels between my 'the moon is possible made of orange juice' and your endless repetition of :

Frank says in any thread he possibly can wrote:
Do you know there is no possibility of a GOD?

If not...you cannot know there is no possibility of intelligent design.



No, Hingehead, I do not at all.

Why do you suggest there is a parallel?
 

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