FBM
 
  1  
Wed 23 Jan, 2013 10:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
Wink
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reasoning logic
 
  1  
Wed 23 Jan, 2013 06:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Would you set out all the “evidence and reality” you have for your assertion: “I do not have a soul.”

Me…I do not have any idea if I have a soul…or if there is an afterlife…or if I come back to this life…or anything else about after death.


Frank I see you are still using the militant agnostic approach. "I do not know and you do not know either" Laughing
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 01:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
Good one, Frank. That one was worth a smile. Mr. Green
spendius
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 05:45 am
@reasoning logic,
That you see that Frank is still using the militant agnostic approach is not a satisfactory, or grown up, answer to his question.

And your use of the word "militant" is devious and deceitful.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 05:53 am
"Militant Atheist" is the new catch phrase they use to slap an atheist down.
spendius
 
  0  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 05:56 am
@edgarblythe,
Some atheists are militant. Frank's question is not.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:00 am
@spendius,
A militant atheist tag gets flung at most any atheist that speaks out these days.
spendius
 
  0  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:05 am
@edgarblythe,
"Speaking out" is the sine qua non of militancy.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:10 am
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5233301)
Quote:
Would you set out all the “evidence and reality” you have for your assertion: “I do not have a soul.”

Me…I do not have any idea if I have a soul…or if there is an afterlife…or if I come back to this life…or anything else about after death.


Frank I see you are still using the militant agnostic approach. "I do not know and you do not know either"


I do not know what color car you drive...or if you drive a car at all, RL. Is that the same as saying that YOU do not know whether or not you drive a car...or that even if you do, YOU do not know its color?

I did not say he did not know. He asserted that he depends on "evidence and reality"...and he asserted that he "has no soul."

I merely asked for his evidence.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:11 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Good one, Frank. That one was worth a smile.


Thanks, ci. Just a bit of light-hearted joshing.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:14 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Re: reasoning logic (Post 5234644)
That you see that Frank is still using the militant agnostic approach is not a satisfactory, or grown up, answer to his question.

And your use of the word "militant" is devious and deceitful.


That is correct, Spendius. As I remember it, the question was not actually directed at RL. It was directed to FBM...who responded.

RL is just giving me a light jab!
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spendius
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:54 am
@edgarblythe,
"Speaking out" is the sine qua non of militancy.

Frank only posts what he thinks about these matters. As far as I can remember he brings no extraneous "evidence" to back up what he says about his agnosticism which is, of course, irrefutable in an intellectual space devoid of any practical affairs, which are the sole concern of Christian theology.

Practical affairs ought also to be the sole concern of atheists. I recognise that my atheism is a faith like I recognise that my belief that snow is white is a faith when I know it is nothing of the sort. It is not a faith that a snowfield makes my eye muscles behave in a different way than when exposed to a water-meadow.

That atheists are unable, for whatever reason, to address practical affairs is proof that they are not serious. Agnostics have the same problem.

On A2K I mean. Mao and Lenin and Marx did not allow themselves a similar indulgence. They would have considered doing so to be akin to a posh buffet degenerating into a cream-cake slapstick orgy such as the one Prisoner in Cell Block H depicted so wonderfully when Doreen and her friend were placed in charge of setting out the tables for the visit of the State Governor to the prison which were to be set upon by masticating molars after the cells had been inspected and which were in first-class pristine condition for the occasion. There was even a teddy-bears head stuck up out of the blankets of one bed.

Mao, Lenin and Marx applied their atheism to very practical affairs.

Why won't you lot? I can do it but the logical inevitabilities which presented themselves to me, when I had considered the matter carefully, putting aside any residual subjectivity I might have had, were such that I feel I ought not to mention them to the delicate sensibilities so distinctive of the members of A2K.

And thus I can well see why a militant atheist, such as Prof. Dawkins, would not wish to engage in a debate about the logical inevitabilities of applying his atheism to practical affairs and much prefers to take the piss out of fortune telling ladies and make little movies of himself looking good.

Applying agnosticism to practical affairs cannot but lead to there being no practical affairs to apply it to.



spendius
 
  0  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:31 am
@spendius,
Which leads me to wonder whether the general media mindset which had such a love affair a while back with Prof. Dawkins and others of his ilk, is not connected in some mysterious way with the problems media has recently presented to our dying eyes.

That media itself reported on those problems is the explanation of why they did so as gently as they could manage.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 07:47 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Re: edgarblythe (Post 5234910)
"Speaking out" is the sine qua non of militancy.

Frank only posts what he thinks about these matters. As far as I can remember he brings no extraneous "evidence" to back up what he says about his agnosticism which is, of course, irrefutable in an intellectual space devoid of any practical affairs, which are the sole concern of Christian theology.

Practical affairs ought also to be the sole concern of atheists. I recognise that my atheism is a faith like I recognise that my belief that snow is white is a faith when I know it is nothing of the sort. It is not a faith that a snowfield makes my eye muscles behave in a different way than when exposed to a water-meadow.

That atheists are unable, for whatever reason, to address practical affairs is proof that they are not serious. Agnostics have the same problem.

On A2K I mean. Mao and Lenin and Marx did not allow themselves a similar indulgence. They would have considered doing so to be akin to a posh buffet degenerating into a cream-cake slapstick orgy such as the one Prisoner in Cell Block H depicted so wonderfully when Doreen and her friend were placed in charge of setting out the tables for the visit of the State Governor to the prison which were to be set upon by masticating molars after the cells had been inspected and which were in first-class pristine condition for the occasion.


So...you consider saying "I do not know" when one does not know...to be unserious.

And then you write something like:

Mao and Lenin and Marx did not allow themselves a similar indulgence. They would have considered doing so to be akin to a posh buffet degenerating into a cream-cake slapstick orgy such as the one Prisoner in Cell Block H depicted so wonderfully when Doreen and her friend were placed in charge of setting out the tables for the visit of the State Governor to the prison which were to be set upon by masticating molars after the cells had been inspected and which were in first-class pristine condition for the occasion.


Sure...like you KNOW how Mao, Lenin, and Marx would react...and you KNOW they would react like that tortured scenario.

A bit pretentious, wouldn't you say if you were being truthful, Spendius?
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FBM
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 08:39 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

"Militant Atheist" is the new catch phrase they use to slap an atheist down.


Funny, innit? A couple thousand years of religious wars, crusades, genocides, witch burnings, ethnic cleansings, terrorist attacks, blah blah, and they're stamping their little feet when we simply speak up. I wonder if any atheist/agnostic has even ever started a fistfight trying to convert a believer. None I know of. Laughing
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 02:02 pm
@FBM,
The simple act of disagreeing with them sets them in a tizzy. "What are you attacking me for? I hate militant atheists."
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Setanta
 
  1  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 02:04 pm
So people identify so closely with their beliefs that they take any criticism as a personal attack. You see this with political fanatics, too.
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hingehead
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 02:26 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Funny, innit? A couple thousand years of religious wars, crusades, genocides, witch burnings, ethnic cleansings, terrorist attacks, blah blah, and they're stamping their little feet when we simply speak up. I wonder if any atheist/agnostic has even ever started a fistfight trying to convert a believer. None I know of.


<singing at top of lungs>
Onward Christian soldiers...
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 24 Jan, 2013 02:34 pm
@hingehead,
And, boy, do they~! Mr. Green
73% of Americans consider themselves "christians."
How many unnecessary wars have we been engaged in? How many innocent people have our military killed and/or maimed?
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tenderfoot
 
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Thu 24 Jan, 2013 06:04 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I can do the "free unwashed receptive and unhinged, pure clean mind" trick. It's actually quite easy which is its main attraction.

I would get banned from A2K if I were to chance my finger in that direction. And polite company.

That you lot are not banned from A2K is scientific evidence that you only talk about "free unwashed receptive and unhinged, pure clean minds" and "critical reasoning" and other mush of a similar ilk as a misguided and somewhat devious claim to fame. You never actually engage with either. Which is a bit wimpy.

They are mantras. Pat yourselves on the back mantras. Worthless.


This is what I mean by a "Clean" mind spendy..................................

How to get to Heaven from Scotland ...

I was testing children in my Glasgow Sunday school class to see if they understood the concept of getting into heaven.

I asked them, "If I sold my house and my
car, had a big jumble sale and gave all my
money to the church, would that get me
into heaven?"

"NO!" the children answered.

"If I cleaned the church every day, mowed
the garden and kept everything tidy, would
That get me into heaven?"

Again, the answer was 'No!'

By now I was starting to smile.

"Well, then, if I was kind to animals and
gave sweets to all the children and
loved my husband, would that get me
into heaven?"

Again, they all answered 'No!'

I was just bursting with pride for them.


I continued, "Then how can I get into heaven?"


A six year old boy shouted,


"Yuv got tae be fukin' dead"


Kinda brings a wee tear tae yir eye...


 

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