JTT
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:34 pm
@hingehead,
Poifect! You'll be in charge of activating the blue screen. Then you can get back at all these theists who have been wrecking your thread. Smile
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:37 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Then you can get back at all these theists who have been wrecking your thread.
littlek started this thread, fool .
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:38 pm
@Ionus,
Do you think that he was a real person or maybe just a parable or what do you think and why?
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:42 pm
@reasoning logic,
He was definitely a real person . He is mentioned in other sources . It was also very difficult to create people and events in those days . Time and distance meant you could exaggerate, but there had to be some solid truth behind the story for it gain acceptance . It wasn't like these days...people didn't believe everything they heard and they would confront a story teller if they strayed from the original .
JTT
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:46 pm
@Ionus,
You do get around, doofus. Doesn't the person who spells all the words for you get tired of sitting around waiting for you to have a meaningful thought?
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:48 pm
@JTT,
Isnt there some way you can tastefully fit into this discussion the great war crimes of the USA whilst praising North Korea and its freedom loving people ?
reasoning logic
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:48 pm
@Ionus,
Your quote: He is mentioned in other sources

What other sources? Please list all so that I can review them for their credibility, Not that I am saying that it is not possible it is just that I have seen so many conflicting ideas!
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 05:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
Start with Josephus, a Jewish independence fighter who changed sides to the Romans and wrote histories . Apart from the New Testament, there are other documents that talk about Y'shua and the people around him . These were excluded from the New Testament because they raise many questions of a doctrinal nature . The Nag Hammurabi texts for example .
spendius
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 06:05 pm
@ossobuco,
Well osso, if you're there--it's like this--The pitchforks and torches jibe does not take account of the mores at the time. It was the form then as lethal injection is now. They had far more inhumane methods of putting people to death in those days. Jesus was expected to live on the cross for three days. Hanging in chains was a longer job. And being hung,drawn and quartered was somewhat more tormenting than most people think.

Now-when atheists take advantage of our modern sensibilities to punishment they are lying and one has to wonder why. There are suicides by setting oneself on fire. One such suicide is thought to have triggered the unrest in the ME. Nobody would attempt to commit suicide in the manner that was inflicted on an attempted assassin of Louis the XIV (I think). His hair colour changed from dark auburn to white in the course of the festivities in the streets of Paris.

In using the false comparison the atheist makes an assumption of ignorance in his/her reader. It is that which ought to concern us all. It seems a general attitude. That everybody is a gump who isn't an atheist. Which is ridiculous.



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reasoning logic
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 06:09 pm
@Ionus,
Yes I have read a little bit about Josephus! Was he not a character or what? Lol
I have read that most of his works about Jesus have been discredited!

Now I do find the other sources that you have mentioned to have a grate deal of info that should be studied!
I have studied some of it but the sad truth is that the church seemed to have done us a great disservice by hiding these books from us and not protecting them so that they could be viewed in their entirety. I can only guess that the church had a problem speaking the truth at one time. lol

What do you think about the Therapeutae ?
spendius
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 06:10 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
The occasional bungee christian that drops in, let's us know God will judge us, and ascends out of here again does grate a little, but it's no biggie - I can put up with that to see some of the great vids and pics people have posted and the anecdotes shared. I've got the two attention seeking spazzes on ignore and mostly I enjoy this thread.


I'm glad hinge enjoys the thread but it does seem from that that he can only take the "bungee Christian" who is no "biggie". Like babes in arms. Perhaps the "spazzes" are in a weight category he's a bit frit of. Eh? Aaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!!!!!
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reasoning logic
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 07:38 pm
@Ionus,
Your quote:
{It wasn't like these days...people didn't believe everything they heard and they would confront a story teller if they strayed from the original.}

Are you bull shitting me???
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 08:37 pm
@reasoning logic,
Quote:
I have read that most of his works about Jesus have been discredited!
He doesnt have "works" on Jesus but mentions him in his history .

Quote:
the sad truth is that the church seemed to have done us a great disservice by hiding these books from us and not protecting them
It was mainly early Christian monks who preserved these for us . It was the Catholic Christians who went on a book burning spree .

Quote:
What do you think about the Therapeutae ?
They had a lot of knowledge of physical heeling and were probably the originators of the Gnostic movement .
Ionus
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 08:41 pm
@reasoning logic,
Not at all . Sitting around a camp fire hearing the same stories every night meant they didnt change .

When they were written down by priests, the priests could amend them without anyone being the wiser . As we now only have the written record, we are none the wiser to amendments without considerable scholarship being applied .

Sitting around a TV means we can now get different versions of the same story but we will probably only watch one of them . It is worse now then it has ever been .
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JTT
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2011 09:33 pm
@Ionus,
If you really really want this, then I'll try my damndest. You're right that you have to keep the heat on these war criminals. They have such an effective propaganda system, one that is every bit as good as the Nazis.

Hell, it even has a bright guy like you duped.

Here's one where Kissinger admits to his war crimes in Vietnam. This in a story about Bradley Manning, that fine young patriot that exposed some more of the US's war crimes in Iraq.

Quote:


Don't forget Bradley Manning

It would cruel if the private accused of leaking US security files to WikiLeaks suffers because little attention is paid to his plight

...

As he recounts in his memoir, Secrets, Ellsberg found himself on the receiving end of the anger of a furious US government and military. Not only was a plot hatched to break into his psychoanalyst's office to discover damaging information about him but also a team of Cuban exiles was hired to disrupt a rally he was addressing and break his legs. Chillingly, the then secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, and President Nixon discussed how they could best damage him. Thanks to the contemporaneous tapes, we know that Kissinger suggested waiting until the war was over in Vietnam, "then we can say this son of a bitch nearly blew it ... Then no one will give a damn about war crimes."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/07/bradley-manning-wikileaks?CMP=twt_fd

Ionus
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2011 04:19 am
@JTT,
Quote:
Here's one where Kissinger admits to his war crimes in Vietnam.
I dont suppose you have one where Ho Chi Min admits to his war crimes in Vietnam ? There lies the difference . You being lazy, attack the easy option, especially as it makes you look alike a more caring person whereas the opposite is true . You dont care about victims, you use them to feel outraged and important .
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spendius
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2011 04:57 am
@Ionus,
Quote:
It was the Catholic Christians who went on a book burning spree.


As have many others including the US Postmaster General. Plus school districts, states and self censorship by printers, publishers and authors. Movies and plays need performance permits. Fascist and communist governments ban lots of books and films.
Eorl
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2011 05:51 am
@spendius,
We have a new twist on it here. It's called "Refused Classification"
spendius
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2011 12:10 pm
@Eorl,
Book pulping one assumes.
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hingehead
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2011 09:31 pm
Stop it, your oppressing us.
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