hingehead
 
  1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 08:28 am
@failures art,
Three's company!

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spendius
 
  0  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 12:12 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
What about homosexuality and their protection of perverts ?


You're titivating them Io. They need perverts. They base a lot of their theology on perverts. They have agents they pay to root out and expose perverts. They look high and low and in any dark corner to keep the supply up.

And the reason for the distorted focus on perversions is that the Christian pervert is being hypocritical. Presumably the atheist pervert is not being. That seems the logical implication.

The only trouble is that there is no hypocrisy for atheists. There's no reason for atheists to think there's anything wrong with shagging on a crowded bus. It's not unknown on the Tube. Fast Transit Dogging. What would a hard pressed editor do to fill the spaces between the ads in an atheist world?

BISHOP DIES IN BROTHEL is an attention grabbing headline. The only mention of atheists dying in a brothel would be in the Deaths column. It's not fair. Can anybody else bring a semblance of dignity to the processes of marriagies and funerals. Nobody minds men of the cloth larding the hypocrisy on those occasions. A classic example will shortly be on your screens. The Archbishop won't be saying that Kate has agreed to put her facilities in the service of the succession.

Of course I realise that hypocrisy might not be the main point. Hypocrisy being an ordinary everyday feature of most people's lives. Pinning the church to the wall and being made conscious of perversions at the same time is obviously a heady mix.



Francis
 
  3  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 12:20 pm
@spendius,
Spendi wrote:
The only trouble is that there is no hypocrisy for atheists.

This is the height of hypocrisy.

Ethics, whatever you say, are not related to religion.

Hypocrisy, on the other hand, usually is...


JTT
 
  1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 12:22 pm
@Ionus,
What about the Pope stealing? Cardinals drinking more sacramental wine than they should? Bishops siphoning off church funds for personal use? Priests using those flat little wafers to make toast?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 12:36 pm
@Francis,
Well put, Francis. spending is an avowed religionist without the cajones to accept reality about religion even when all the evidence surrounds him from history and current events.
spendius
 
  1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I hope Francis is suitably thrilled with your approval ci. I hope you didn't proffer it in order to make it look like you had answered my points. And flatter him that he had. The rest of us know that neither of you laid a glove on them.

Francis
 
  3  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 03:04 pm
@spendius,
My thrills are of another nature, Spendi.

It's not my intent to engage in a controversy that have lasted for seven years already, an argumentation that you have fine tuned, along with your writing skills.

(Remember how lame they were?)

But these skills cannot mask the paucity and the absence of soundness of your discourse.

Most of your utterances are just hypothesis you know no more about than I do.

Foul language and condescending comments will not make a dent in my determination in exposing the lightness of your crusade, whenever I'll feel inclined to do so..
spendius
 
  1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 03:16 pm
@Francis,
That's the nature of public debate. The viewer is possibly capable of making his or her own mind up concerning your assertions.

Expose away--it's what I volunteer for. But do expose.
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Eorl
 
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Thu 3 Mar, 2011 03:28 pm
@failures art,
Why not, indeed.
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Ionus
 
  -1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 04:43 pm
@Francis,
Quote:
Ethics, whatever you say, are not related to religion.
So what are they related to ?
Ionus
 
  -1  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 04:47 pm
@JTT,
What about homosexuals protecting homosexuals who are child predators ? What about you who go on and on about war crimes committed by one side ? What about atheists who want a proper funeral even though they dont believe in God ? Most politicians have a priest at a funeral, and you cant convince me they all believe in God . Are we to believe you now know as little about religion as you have amply shown your inadequacy for history and warfare, morality, ethics and the law ? You are the ultimate hypocrite .
Ionus
 
  0  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 04:57 pm
Have a look at this page :
"List of mass murderers and spree killers by number of victims"



How many of those do you think were devoutly religious ? How many were atheists ? Before you decide that only the clever people are atheists you might want to examine the consequences of being atheistic .
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spendius
 
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Thu 3 Mar, 2011 06:21 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
So what are they related to ?


They are related to minds conditioned by the Christian religion but which have to deny the fact in order to justify pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, homosexuality and/or abortion.
ossobuco
 
  0  
Thu 3 Mar, 2011 06:29 pm
@spendius,
This very post makes me conclude Spendi is a poseur.

So it goes.
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Francis
 
  1  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 02:02 am
Ionus wrote:
Francis wrote:
Ethics, whatever you say, are not related to religion.
So what are they related to ?


They are related, as far as I'm concerned, to a lifelong quest of what is right or wrong.

I'm a socratic in this field, with experience and knowledge, ethics arise naturally.

But, as with knowledge, ethics are influenced by your way of life.

This doesn't mean that you will have to behave according to the prevalent mores where you live.

Ponder, be impartial and you will see that most religions are hypocrite..
Francis
 
  1  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 02:20 am
Spendi wrote:
Ionus wrote:
So what are they related to ?

They are related to minds conditioned by the Christian religion but which have to deny the fact in order to justify pre-marital sex, adultery, divorce, homosexuality and/or abortion.

You perfectly know that you are just throwing dust in the eyes of some viewers.

Your assertions don't stand facts' check.

Around most countries of Europe, pre-marital sex in endemic as more than ninety percent of people indulge in it.

Don't tell me that 90% of Europeans are atheists..

Now, about adultery, just read this:

Quote:
"British men and women are the most adulterous in Europe, but Americans top the list… The study in 14 countries found that 42 percent of Britons, compared to 22 percent of Spaniards, 36 percent of French and 38 percent of Italians, admitted to having more than one relationship at a time. But… half of the Americans questioned said they were unfaithful." Half of the Americans interviewed admitted to adultery!


Your attempts to make atheists feel guilty are not succeeding, Spendi..
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 05:59 am
@Francis,
Quote:
Ponder, be impartial and you will see that most religions are hypocrite..


That's the point of them. Not pretending that things are animalistic is a hopeless way to build a civilisation. Hypocrisy is a necessary feature of civilised life. The tuxedo that you're wearing, the flower in your lapel, are hypocrisies.

Quote:
You perfectly know that you are just throwing dust in the eyes of some viewers.


Do you want to talk about the weather?

Quote:
Around most countries of Europe, pre-marital sex in endemic as more than ninety percent of people indulge in it.


Once again, what is "sex"? Your remark is meaningless without a scientific definition.

Quote:
"British men and women are the most adulterous in Europe, but Americans top the list… The study in 14 countries found that 42 percent of Britons, compared to 22 percent of Spaniards, 36 percent of French and 38 percent of Italians, admitted to having more than one relationship at a time. But… half of the Americans questioned said they were unfaithful." Half of the Americans interviewed admitted to adultery!


Which rather proves my point. The battle over evolution in schools is harder fought in America. It is taking place to a lesser extent in Britain and, as far as I can see, hardly at all in Spain, France and Italy. Which doesn't mean it is not taking place at all in those three.

That I can hardly ask atheists questions about their personal lives is a difficulty I have to put up with. Particularly about abortion.

I presume you are aware that well off people tend to be conservative and hard up people tend to be socialists and each make their arguments with hardly a mention of the circumstances.

I'm a convinced believer in the subjectivity of principles but I allow there may be the odd exception.

I am not trying to make atheists feel guilty but you saying that raises a suspicion of your thin skin on the matter. I am not concerned with atheists at all. I am focussed on the promotion of atheism and on nothing else. Preaching atheism requires some justification outside of the personal to show the benefits to society of it being successful. I am happy to preach the benefits of Christianity providing the hypocrisies inhibit its more extreme and dogmatic forms. Which is what we more or less have.

The status quo is essentially Christian. An atheist status quo can only be what a preacher of atheism is aiming at. And I will readily admit that such a status quo may now be necessary in modern conditions and it is not unreasonable for me to expect atheists to make the case accordingly. Preaching has sociological and psychological implications.

Malinowski showed the hypocrisies involved in mourning in primitive tribes. The more a person is benefitting from the death the more he/she is expected to weep and tear their hair. Someone else, whose name I forget, studied Irish farmers helping each other in their rural idyll. He found that at the end of the year it all balanced out as neat as even the most expert accountant could have done it.

Hypocrisy is a wonderful thing Francis and you should not be as ashamed of it as you present yourself as being. I'll bet it was rife at the Chicago A2K meet. It was rife cubed, and more, at the Oscars. Social life is possible without it but it is bloody.

Everybody knows that in the House of Commons the expression "the honourable and learned member" means that gobshiteing asshole opposite.

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failures art
 
  1  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 07:00 am
I came across this video, and I thought it was very moving.



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Think big. Then think bigger.
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 07:03 am
@failures art,
It said--"an error occured, please try again later". The saving of my soul will have to wait.

What's the scientific explanation of "soul" fa?
failures art
 
  2  
Fri 4 Mar, 2011 07:16 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It said--"an error occured, please try again later". The saving of my soul will have to wait.

Worked fine for me. Perhaps technology, the son of science, it tired of you gossiping about it's mother and decided to give you the dirty hassle.

spendius wrote:

What the scientific explanation of "soul" fa?

That humans don't have them. Well James Brown did, and it was super bad. I put a little of his soul in me when I was 18, and it made me a sex machine.

Please, next time, don't raise your hand if you don't mean it.

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