Hi CI, not having a go at you but to be technically correct nothing 'learns to survive' by improving anything via evolution. In my anal retentive style I think what you meant was 'living in the dark favoured the reproduction of genes that gave their possessors survival advantages in that environment'. Hope you'll forgive my inability to let anything that hints that evolution is directed by anything resembling a directed intelligence go by unmentioned.
Back when I was in some sort of elemental battle for my brain and heart - over various matters including Teilhard du Chardin (whom I liked for a minute or two) and Ratzinger and Hans Kung, I landed on the word teleology and still think it explains how people don't get "evolution", or at least a part of it.
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hingehead
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Mon 24 Jan, 2011 08:10 pm
@hingehead,
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ossobuco
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Mon 24 Jan, 2011 08:17 pm
@hingehead,
That's not a word. It is a combination of two non words. If anyone else uses those non words, I suppose they have their own takes on the usage.
hh, Sorry, it's not TN but KY. This is from Wiki, but I think what I read about them was published in the National Geographic about five lifetimes ago.
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Evolutionary characteristics
In individual caves not all the numerous cavernicol insects, the most conspicuous and perhaps also universally met with peculiarity is the reduction in body pigmentation. This is particularly marked in Coleoptera. The reduction or total loss body pigmentation are without doubt correlated with the absence of sunlight. This is demonstrated by the fact that all these unpigmented cave beetles readily develop the characteristic pigment when they are exposed to sunlight. A second peculiarity is the more or less pronounced reduction of eyes in all caverniculous species. Nearly all cave insects are characterized by an abnormal elongation of appendages, especially the antennae, as compensation for loss of eyes. There is also increase and elongation of sensory setae, as for example, in the beetle Scotoplanetes arenstorffianus from Herzegovina. In contrast, none of the free-living related carabids have such sensory setae on the elytra. True cave insects are generally all characterized by wing reduction. Among the cave beetles the hind wings are reduced or even lost.
The general appearance and attitude of body of cave insects often differ conspicuously from those of free-living relatives. This is particularly observed in Silphidae, through nearly every other cave insect also exhibits this peculiarity. All these are evidence not of selection, as commonly assumed, but of direct functional adaptation and correlation to the immediate environment.
aving lived in Cambodia and China, and traveled in Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and Africa, I have come to appreciate how religion functions quite differently in the developing world—where the majority of believers actually live. The Four Horsemen, their fans, and their enemies all fail to factor in their own prosperity when they think about the uses and abuses of religion.
Harris and his colleagues think that religion is mostly concerned with two jobs—explaining nature and guiding morality. Their suggestion that science does these jobs better is pretty convincing. As Harris puts it, "I am arguing that science can, in principle, help us understand what we should do and should want—and, therefore, what other people should do and should want in order to live the best lives possible." I agree with Harris here and even spilled significant ink myself, back in 2001, to show that Stephen Jay Gould's popular science/religion diplomacy of "nonoverlapping magisteria" (what many call the fact/value distinction) is incoherent. The horsemen's mistake is not their claim that science can guide morality. Rather, they're wrong in imagining that the primary job of religion is morality. Like cosmology, ethics is barely relevant in non-Western religions. It is certainly not the main function or lure of devotional life. Science could take over the "morality job" tomorrow in the developing world, and very few religious practitioners would even notice.
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Religion is not really a path to morality, nor can it substitute for a scientific understanding of nature. Its chief virtue is as a "coping mechanism" for our troubles. Powerless people turn to religion and find a sense of relief, which helps them psychologically to stay afloat. Those who wish to abolish religion seek to pull away the life preserver, mistakenly blaming the device for the drowning.
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More important, my argument—that religion soothes emotional vulnerability—can't be "condescending" if I'm also applying it to myself. Like Sam Harris, I know a fair share of neuroscience, but that didn't alleviate my anguish and desperation in the emergency room with my son. The old saw "there are no atheists in foxholes" obviously doesn't prove that there is a God. It just proves that highly emotional beings (i.e., humans) are also highly vulnerable beings. Our emotional limbic system seeks homeostasis—it tries to reset to calmer functional defaults when it's been riled up. I suspect there are aspects of religion (and art) that go straight into the limbic system and quell the adrenalin-based metabolic overdrive of stress.
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In 2009, in Brazil, the archbishop excommunicated doctors for performing an abortion on a 9-year-old girl who had been repeatedly raped by her stepfather. The stepfather had impregnated her with twins. The girl's mother, too, was kicked out of the church, but the rapist was not. That is the kind of dehumanizing and dogmatic religion that should be eliminated. Catholics deserve a better religion than that. But there are still aspects of Catholicism that are humanizing, consoling, and inspirational. Whether it is Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, or animism, the virtues can be retained while the vices are moderated. In short, the reduction of human suffering should be the standard by which we measure every religion.
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hingehead
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Mon 24 Jan, 2011 08:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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All these are evidence not of selection, as commonly assumed, but of direct functional adaptation and correlation to the immediate environment.
Thanks for that CI - are they saying that if they took a free living beetle and put it in that environment it would change? If not why isn't it selection? Odd.
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Eorl
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Mon 24 Jan, 2011 09:06 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I'm trying to get a handle on what positive things atheism brings to life.
What positive things does not collecting butterflies bring to life?