littlek
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 06:54 pm
@Ionus,
Like I said, find some facts.
littlek
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 06:55 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Dunno what that means! Oh! Googled it. Good night to you!
Ionus
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 08:13 pm
@littlek,
Quote:
Like I said, find some facts.
Like I said, find some facts not statistics.
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Intrepid
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 11:22 pm
@littlek,
littlek wrote:

And as I pointed out the gap between atheists and people who don't go to church is huge. And, frankly, completely besides the point. Atheists are NOT people who just don't go to church.


Just as Christians are not people who just go to church.
north
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 11:37 pm

Quote:
littlek wrote:

And as I pointed out the gap between atheists and people who don't go to church is huge. And, frankly, completely besides the point. Atheists are NOT people who just don't go to church.


then they are not Atheists

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failures art
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:02 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

littlek wrote:

And as I pointed out the gap between atheists and people who don't go to church is huge. And, frankly, completely besides the point. Atheists are NOT people who just don't go to church.


Just as Christians are not people who just go to church.

I'm not sure what your point is. Even if they do not attend, or infrequently attend church, they are theists are they not. Atheism is not built in counter of any specific religion (like Christianity), but rather it is the antithesis of theism.

So be you a devout and proper Christian or a fair whether one, you're both theists.

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north
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 12:05 am
@failures art,
Intrepid wrote:

littlek wrote:

And as I pointed out the gap between atheists and people who don't go to church is huge. And, frankly, completely besides the point. Atheists are NOT people who just don't go to church.


Just as Christians are not people who just go to church.

I'm not sure what your point is. Even if they do not attend, or infrequently attend church, they are theists are they not. Atheism is not built in counter of any specific religion (like Christianity), but rather it is the antithesis of theism.

So be you a devout and proper Christian or a fair whether one, you're both theists.

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agreed
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Intrepid
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 10:59 am
@failures art,
Labels are easy and quite often have no real meaning. To call someone a Christian does not mean that they are a Christian. To say one believes in God does not mean that they believe in God. Many in this thread have mentioned not wanting to devulge their leanings to the world at large. For some, it is easier to say they are Christian or have a believe in God etc. just to fit in with the 'mainstream' and not have to be bothered.

Just as I believe that many who claim to be atheists are actually closet agnostics.

A label by any other name......
edgarblythe
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 02:48 pm
In all my arguments with frank apisa, this was my favorite post of his (because it was about me):

I gotta say this about Edgar and ci.

THEY KNOW WHAT BEING AN ATHEIST IS ALL ABOUT...and it is not this stealing the agnostic position and pretending it is truly an atheistic position.

I congratulate them on having spine.
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:01 pm
@littlek,
Oiche mhaith = Good night.

Slan leat = goodbye.

Now there will be a test on this tomorrow. Laughing Wink
hingehead
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:38 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
All I've ever known is "Póg mo thóin"
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 03:41 pm
@hingehead,
No thanks. Laughing
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spendius
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 04:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
Well ed--for all Frank's general good ol' boy stuff he wasn't particularly qualified to pass such a judgement. I don't agree with him on this one.

Anyway--your side caused him to abandon A2K in utter disgust. And he was a good member.
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failures art
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 04:15 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

Labels are easy and quite often have no real meaning.

I'll agree that some labels offer little identification. Most of the labels we are talk about don't fall into that category.

Intrepid wrote:

To call someone a Christian does not mean that they are a Christian.

I agree.

Intrepid wrote:

To say one believes in God does not mean that they believe in God.

I disagree. If a person proclaims this belief, then you can say they don't believe in the god you believe in, but you can't assert that they don't believe in a god. They are very much atheist.

Intrepid wrote:

Many in this thread have mentioned not wanting to devulge their leanings to the world at large. For some, it is easier to say they are Christian or have a believe in God etc. just to fit in with the 'mainstream' and not have to be bothered.

Yes, often a component of the atheist experience is managing social interactions. Some Atheist may choose to exist in cognito identifying themselves to other as Christians (or whatever local religion). Some Atheists will simply just not broadcast their views, and let people assume they fit the Christian status quo.

Intrepid wrote:

Just as I believe that many who claim to be atheists are actually closet agnostics.

Of course there are. There are lots of people who are the "mad at god" types. Those aren't atheists. You can't be mad at what does not exist. If a person is directing their emotions at a god in their brain, then they are theists because they still engage idea of divine governance of the universe.

This is group WAY over exaggerated in popular media. It's the Lt. Dan meme. I think its popularity stems from the comfort it provides theists; it's a blanky.

Intrepid wrote:

A label by any other name......

A good chat about monikers but in the end we are talking about the ships we sail on, not the flags we fly.

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littlek
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 08:09 pm
Speaking about declarations of atheism, I finally told the kid I work with that I don't know enough about religion to answer his questions. He and I were in the same boat. We identified his grandmother as the person in his life to ask (his parents don't seem to be religious either). And, the social studies textbook is making me more annoyed.....
failures art
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 08:18 pm
@littlek,
I think you manage that situation very well. Redirecting the child back to his family for this question was not only the best for the child, but also the best way to look out for yourself.

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Ionus
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 08:31 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
I disagree. If a person proclaims this belief, then you can say they don't believe in the god you believe in, but you can't assert that they don't believe in a god. They are very much atheist.
I assume Atheist is a typo for Theist. You dont know what goes on in a perosns head. If they claim to believe in God, you can accept that untill proven otherwise...paedophile priests for example.
failures art
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 08:35 pm
@Ionus,
Thank you for the catch. It was a typo.

"They are very much are an theist."

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hingehead
 
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Tue 23 Nov, 2010 08:57 pm
@failures art,
Heh. 'a theist'
failures art
 
  1  
Tue 23 Nov, 2010 09:00 pm
@hingehead,
...grumble...damnit...

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