Setanta
 
  -1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 03:19 pm
@north,
I see . . . so you have now withdrawn the incredibly stupid claim that Franklin's last expedition failed because he had no respect for the knowledge of Native people. (Any good reason why you capitalize the word native?)

Previously, you wrote "primate people," not primative [sic] people--i was already fairly certain that was what you meant, but your other comments in this thread are so obviously the product of an ill-informed or even uninformed mind, that i didn't want to take that for granted.

So now, let me ask you this. At various times in history, armies which were, by the definition of their contemporaries, modern, have lived off the land in order to obviate the need to protect supply bases and supply lines. Does that mean that by your definition, these armies were "primative?" When Lewis and Clark lead their expedition to the Pacific Ocean from the Mississippi River, they eventually reached the point at which the only way to survive was to live off the land. Do you think that Lewis, Clark and all their soldiers were "primative?"

You see, when someone like you comes along, hectoring the rest of us in this thread about what it means to be an atheist, and about not staying on topic (according to your judgment)--and when you are so horribly ill-informed, and barely able to express yourself coherently in what one assumes is your native language, it's a bit hard to take. But more than that, it's an embarrassment to other atheists (to me, at least) to think that someone with your low standards of knowledge and literacy would be taken as representative of all atheists.
Ionus
 
  0  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:41 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
A universe that is governed by the laws of nature
Who or what wrote the laws ?
Ionus
 
  0  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:45 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Nature is indifferent.
So too would be an impersonal God.
failures art
 
  0  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:47 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
A universe that is governed by the laws of nature
Who or what wrote the laws ?

Unnecessary anthropomorphizing, Io. You're begging.

A
R
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failures art
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:48 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Quote:
Nature is indifferent.
So too would be an impersonal God.

This doesn't make sense. What acts could a god or gods do that were indifferent? Certainly not creation.

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north
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:50 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I see . . . so you have now withdrawn the incredibly stupid claim that Franklin's last expedition failed because he had no respect for the knowledge of Native people. (Any good reason why you capitalize the word native?)

Previously, you wrote "primate people," not primative [sic] people--i was already fairly certain that was what you meant, but your other comments in this thread are so obviously the product of an ill-informed or even uninformed mind, that i didn't want to take that for granted.

Quote:
So now, let me ask you this. At various times in history, armies which were, by the definition of their contemporaries, modern, have lived off the land in order to obviate the need to protect supply bases and supply lines. Does that mean that by your definition, these armies were "primative?" When Lewis and Clark lead their expedition to the Pacific Ocean from the Mississippi River, they eventually reached the point at which the only way to survive was to live off the land. Do you think that Lewis, Clark and all their soldiers were "primative?"


no because living off the land was not cultural , as opposed to cultures , peoples who do so all their lives

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Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:53 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
This is the incredibly stupid
nearly illiterate post
stupid **** like that
shows how fuckin' little you know

You cant help yourself can you ? If you think you have the better of someone you start hitting them.....dont you realise how weak and useless this makes you look ?

Quote:
i could use a few more laughs.
We agree on something....your pathetic little ego is sour and bitter.
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Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 04:58 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
when you are so horribly ill-informed
Very Happy Seriously ? You have never won an history argument yet. You think only American people know about USA history, and every single American (includes Canada, Mexico, etc) knows more than historians elsewhere. From your insane attempt at logic( or humuor??) it can be deduced only fish know about the War in the Pacific because they were the only ones there. Were you on Franklin's expedition ?
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Ionus
 
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Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:00 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Unnecessary anthropomorphizing, Io. You're begging.
You're avoiding...where do the laws come from ? It is a reasonable question. You say the nature of the universe as though that is cause for things like gravity, but it isnt a cause, it is a result. What caused the result ?
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Ionus
 
  -1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:04 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Nature is indifferent.
So too would be an impersonal God.
This doesn't make sense.
You have assumed that a God must be a personal deity and look after us. I have said what if it isnt a personal deity and we are left to our own devices ? You have basically said it cant be an impersonal deity because a personal deity made the universe.....now THAT doesnt make sense.

What if your nature was the true nature of God ?
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littlek
 
  2  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:15 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
the large number of Atheists making up prison populations.


I'd wager money that it is less than 50%. And I'd have won my bet. It's less than 30% if you include agnostics and people who follow no religion. It's around 0.2% atheist. Atheists in jail are a smaller percentage than they are in the society they come from. So... we're actually less likely to commit crimes (or at least be caught).

Stats:
http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison2.html
http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison3.html
hingehead
 
  3  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:25 pm
@littlek,
I have anus on ignore, but the occasional reminder of why is kind of nice. Of course having a God makes you more law abiding - that's why you never catch priests abusing children. Rolling Eyes
littlek
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:26 pm
@hingehead,
<snort>!
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:27 pm
@hingehead,
That person tells outright lies and will do anything to disrupt a thread.
Ionus
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:32 pm
@littlek,
Quote:
And I'd have won my bet.
You would have lost your bet. How many are nominal only ? They dont believe in God, they come from a family that is nominally a particular religion but the last family member to go to church was in 1897. You see the same thing in any large group, like the Army. Almost 100% have a religion on their dog tags yet only a very small percentage go to church. If that member is killed, a particular padre will be helpful. They dont have a scientist go around to your relatives and explain how your carbon based life form is now being recycled. In gaol a religion can help you to be released.

Do you really believe Atheists commit 0.2% of crime ? That church going religious people who believe in God commit 99.8% of crime ? Why dont the Police just wait outside church and do a sweep ? Very Happy

Be serious. Lying with statistics is bad form. 90% of people know that.
Intrepid
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:33 pm
@Ionus,
47.6% of statistics are made up on the spot.








Wink


Ionus
 
  0  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:38 pm
@hingehead,
Of course you have people on ignore ....you are so pathetically stupid you dont realise you are bragging about being a bigot. Why should another opinion bother the greats of this world like you ? You are already absolutely right, why listen to anyone ? Just keep churning out the same old pathetic tripe inflicting us with your opinion but not listening.

Quote:
Of course having a God makes you more law abiding - that's why you never catch priests abusing children.
When you go to big pre-school, they will teach you what is an assumption...like a priest who molests children must believe in God....that is an assumption. You would have done better to equate homosexuality as the cause. By the way, how are those sphincter tightening exercises going ? Try not to overdo it again, would you ?
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Ionus
 
  0  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
That person tells outright lies and will do anything to disrupt a thread.
Of course you say this without lying.....a legend in your own mind. Your disruptions consist of "Yes, it is...." Very witty. Very clever. A yes man with lots of experience at arse-kissing. Carefull with ****-hate...he has anal retention problems.
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hingehead
 
  1  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:47 pm
@Intrepid,
Speaking of statistics the wikipedia entry on the demographics of atheism is pretty interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

I'd never realised I was an oppressed minority before....
littlek
 
  3  
Mon 22 Nov, 2010 05:53 pm
Ionis, I looked up some stats - now it's your turn. And, yes I do truly believe that mostly religious people are perpetrating crimes. By a vast majority.

I think it's a giant gap you're minimizing between non-practicing theists and atheists.
 

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