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@Intrepid,

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Where do you get this stuff from?

It comes to a store near you Intrepid, from an obsessive desire to search out items from the racks which justify the rejection of Christianity produced by the more advanced brains bent to the same need and detecting a promising market niche in which useful, i.e, low status, jobs are un-necessary.

It's simple.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Lash wrote:

I agree that Christians are tasked to "save" the rest of us - which reveals a superior mindset among them. It's the absolute belief that they are heaven-bound and you are rightfully hell-bound without conversion to their belief that I referred to.

Thanks for your response. Always appreciate your remarks.

Tasked? Superior mindset? Rightfully hellbound?

Where do you get this stuff from?

Let's start with the phrase "saved." Do you really mean to say that you're unfamiliar with this kind of Christian mentality (even if it is not your own)?

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Saved? What? Can I enter into my mother's womb and be born again?

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@failures art,

I understand the saved part. It the the other parts that I questioned. Like the tasked part.

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@edgarblythe,

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Saved? What? Can I enter into my mother's womb and be born again?

Nope.

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@Intrepid,

You don't see them as related?

Isn't the superior mindset that you (not you, but the royal you), unlike non-Christians, will be exempt from eternal damnation. Also, because the option to be "saved" is readily available, those who don't get get saved have nobody to blame but themselves for their infinite torture upon entering the afterlife.

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@Intrepid,

Some branches of christianity are big on the 'tasked' thing - thus the Church of Latter Day Bike Riders knocking on doors over the world as part of their missionary work.

Funny how Judaism is so much more exclusive. The old testament 50,000 limit for instance. I've read, but unsure how veracitous it is, that Islam teaches that if you meet a stranger you convert him or kill him - probably it was anti-moslem propaganda, don't know much about Islam. And the Mormon fascination with genealogy, because they can 'retrospectively' convert and save their dead ancestors.

I once chatted with some young mormon guys in Canberra doing their mission year away from Utah. Nice guys but some of the weird stuff they were spouting about life on other planets was bizarre - made the scientologists seem suddenly mainstream.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

You don't see them as related?

Isn't the superior mindset that you (not you, but the royal you), unlike non-Christians, will be exempt from eternal damnation. Also, because the option to be "saved" is readily available, those who don't get get saved have nobody to blame but themselves for their infinite torture upon entering the afterlife.

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They are only related in the mind of those who want to relate them. I don't believe that Christians are tasked to do anything other than provide for their own soul salvation. They cannot save anybody. They cannot ensure that they themselves, let alone anybody else, will receive the salvation which they seek.

I suppose the right wing fundamentalists, mostly in the U.S. from what I understand, could be seen as what you describe. That does not, however, stand with all Christians. Christians, just as atheists, are not always understood. Stereotyping has a lot to do with that.

My opinion is that we Christians are not superior. We do not hold a royal flush in the world game of poker. We could be holding aces and eights for all we know.

If someone wants to hear testimony, I would be glad to provide it. If they don't, I would be glad to be their friend and never mention it again. We are not elitist. Well, not all of us anyhow.

What I find odd is that when a label is attached, people act in a certain way. Without a label, people are still the same but do not act in the same manner as they do when labeled.

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@hingehead,

Branches can fall from the tree and are just branches. No longer a tree or part of it. Smile

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@Intrepid,

I do love an extended metaphor.

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@Intrepid,

How about 'A tree with no branches is not a tree'?

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@hingehead,

Made me laugh!

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Tasked? Superior mindset? Rightfully hellbound?

Where do you get this stuff from?

Let's start with the phrase "saved." Do you really mean to say that you're unfamiliar with this kind of Christian mentality (even if it is not your own)?

Intrepid asks about "tasked/superior mindset/rightfully hellbound" and you want him to start with ''saved" (which is a word, not a phrase)?

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@Lash,

I'll agree that some seem to be. That would depend on the group (I'll avoid the word cult). Catholics - it seems they aren't thought to be christians anymore, what? - have periods of non proselytizing, but even I was recruited to be a missionary. But, generally, if you meet one at a party, it's not a conversion opportunity.

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@Intrepid,

You asked where the "stuff came from," I'm just answering. You seem to understand this, so you seem familiar with where this is coming from. So, even if you don't feel this way yourself, you are quite aware of this sentiment.

I get that you disapprove of the Christians that think this way, but you can't deny your own experience with these people, so why deny others their's?

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

failures art wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Tasked? Superior mindset? Rightfully hellbound?

Where do you get this stuff from?

Let's start with the phrase "saved." Do you really mean to say that you're unfamiliar with this kind of Christian mentality (even if it is not your own)?

Intrepid asks about "tasked/superior mindset/rightfully hellbound" and you want him to start with ''saved" (which is a word, not a phrase)?

Thank you for finding the knife to split that hair. I know it was bothering everyone. "Saved" was confusing. It's not a phrase. I should have said "getting saved." Now we're clear I wasn't talking about saving money, or whales? Razz

Yes, I think the Christian concept (it is a concept, right?) of being "saved" speaks clearly to Intrepid's inquery as to where the ideas of Christian's being "tasked," "superior," and other's being "rightfully hellbound."

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@failures art,

Sigh.

In my time, people were admitted to the kingdom of heaven, or purgatory, or hell (see Dante on those), but also limbo. Limbo seems to be where the questionable folks went...

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@ossobuco,

Damn. First the middle class gets swept out by the privileged, and now the spiritual middle class gets the rungs kicked out by the spiritually privileged?

Upward mobility is always a struggle. Cool

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@ossobuco,

Limbo - that's more like it!

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@Lash,

Some people are willing to bend over backwards for Limbo. Seems like an overrated exercise in gymnastics... mental gymnastics.

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