Proof of nonexistence of free will

@JPLosman0711,

Why would anyone take me seriously? This is a public blog with many different opinions. Whether you wish to agree or disagree is no skin off my nose.

You can even put me on ignore to save yourself a lot of repetitive posts that you won't have to read.

That'll also be a favor to me. Thx.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

What came first? You or the numbers? I would say that 'you' have to be there to even determine whether 'numbers' are even there or not. So, if you came before the numbers, how could they have done anything for you?

Is your question serious? Do you really believe I invented numbers? Or that numbers weren't already around when I was born? If I was the one that invented numbers, I would be famous by now, don't you think? But I guess our civilization wouldn't have had enough time to develop to the point at which it is now just in my lifetime. Which confirms mu suspicion that I didn't invented numbers after all.

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@guigus,

Have you ever seen a number that wasn't 'produced' in some way by a human? In other words, are there numbers anywhere out there in the physical world? If we're the ones who 'created' them, then why are we going to pretend that they've accomplished something for us?

If I go out and build a house and then proceed to live in it. I don't say "Well gee it's a good thing this house was here or I'd be out on my ass." I built the damn thing.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

Have you ever seen a number that wasn't 'produced' in some way by a human? In other words, are there numbers anywhere out there in the physical world? If we're the ones who 'created' them, then why are we going to pretend that they've accomplished something for us?

Numbers are abstract entities, they cannot produce or do anything for anybody. We, humans, produce and do things for each other (or not), using numbers, as I already said before. That numbers are anything else is an idea entirely of yours, or at least not mine.

The point is that without numbers most of what we have today would be impossible, as you are having a hard time to understand.

JPLosman0711 wrote:

If I go out and build a house and then proceed to live in it. I don't say "Well gee it's a good thing this house was here or I'd be out on my ass." I built the damn thing.

What about those things you didn't build, but rather were already here when you came into this world? Or did you build everything? Am I talking with God?

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@guigus,

'Numbers' are a thought, they are not any sort of 'entity'. They are a combination of characteristics and when used in their agreed upon form allow humans Be-ing to either agree/disagree upon a particular subject. Do you honestly believe that these 'numbers' somehow exist outside of you? Where the hell are they and how come we can't find them?

Why is it that you would like to defend the existence of these 'numbers' and their apparent contribution to yourself and the rest of society? Are you getting royalties from The Numbers Association of America?

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@JPLosman0711,

Like most human perception, they are theories that humans can use to measure and describe objects, distance, measurements, and applied to science, technology, and other uses, and to understand our environment. Why would you want to "find them?" They're already in existence.

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh, they're 'already in existence' are they? Well where the hell are they?

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@JPLosman0711,

It's probably too spacial for you to comprehend.

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@cicerone imposter,

Let's take another look at what Mr. Dictionary and the rest of the world have to say about 'spatial'.

Spatial –adjective

1 Of or pertaining to space.
2. Existing or occurring in space; having extension in space.

Ah, it has all come clear to me now. 'Numbers' are in space, and that's why we can't find them!!

Oh wait, but what about astronauts? Haven't they been in 'space'? You think they would have mentioned to Houston about how they almost crashed into the number 6 on their way to the moon.

Or are we talking about the 'space' inside our world? Well when I look out my window I surely don't see any 'numbers', also I've never seen or come across any along my travels of this great 'earth'.

So, where are numbers?

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when someone can tell me why we have evolved our thinking and understanding of the Universe and ourselves and this is not example of free-will , I'll be surprised

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@north,

Who you are is 'will', and if you want to call it 'free' you can.

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@JPLosman0711,

JPLosman0711 wrote:

Who you are is 'will', and if you want to call it 'free' you can.

I will , call it " free-will "

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@north,

I suppose you think we choose how we want to evolve like Lamarck...
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@Fil Albuquerque,

He does/he doesn't, why does it matter?

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@JPLosman0711,

North said:

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when someone can tell me why we have evolved our thinking and understanding of the Universe and ourselves and this is not example of free-will , I'll be surprised

There´s why its important...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Yes, this text is just crucial isn't it?

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@JPLosman0711,

I can´t possibly comprehend how someone believes that Evolution is an example of free will...I mean did you chose to have ten fingers in your feet ?
Its not even the question of what one believes concerning free will, but the poor choice of example...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

You ARE 'will'.(thought)

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@JPLosman0711,

Well that is certainly correct, not that I think that it is free anyway...but for the purpose of what was being debated about Lamarck´s Evolution that does n´t much matter...we simply don´t chose how we want to evolve !

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Who's evolving?

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