On the contrary ! "Right and wrong" have EVERYTHING to do with the concept of "free will". This is the Wittgensteinian point I keep hammering !
Right and wrong sounds like beneficial and harmful. What does it have to do with free will?
Why should we not stop harmful actions?
Right and wrong are value judgements influenced by cultural conditioning.
Quote:Because we need free will to determine they are harmful. Otherwise it is someone doing something for their reasons, no better than our reasons, just different.Why should we not stop harmful actions?
Because that's exactly the sort of everyday context in which we use the phrase "free will" . We do not use it for choosing a tie.
Because we need free will to determine they are harmful.
Or are we to believe non-murderers have different instincts to murderers ?
Why isnt choice a reason in litewaves simplification ?
I thought people use it for any choice they make.
Anyway, I don't deny that an illusion of free will exists. I just deny that free will exists.
I can prove that a solution to the equation 0=1 does not exist.
Similar with free will - it's a logical nonsense.
Oh yes ?...when did you last hear the phrase "I chose this shirt of my own free will ?" People never use it that way in normal circumstances.
Fine...that means you throw out all legal systems based on "culpability", and concepts of citizenship based on "responsible behavior". It that okay ?
No. You can prove that 1=1, and that 0=0. Proofs are done in positive statements with supporting statements. If you do not believe in free will, then our actions are predetermined and we're just waiting for the sand to fall. Your challenge is to prove that all outcomes are due to natural forces.
On the one hand you want to talk about "the illusion of free will and on the other you say people should "bear the consequences" for their actions". That is logical nonsense !