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"Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the GOP"

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 12:40 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Is Pew research a valid polling firm in the liberal arena? Just curious before I put too much effort into this.


I don't understand how this relates to the discussion at hand. I'm not really interested in the results of any opinion poll, re: Fox News.

But I will say that I haven't hear complaints about Pew from either Right or Left.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:01 pm
election coverage

Quote:
The Pew (PEJ) report for the 2008 election cycle is out.

Among the findings?

FOXNEWS provided the most balanced cable coverage of the 2008 presidential election among major news outlets (CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS) and likely the most balanced of all six outlets (NBC, CBS, ABC included), although they oddly didnt release the latter three network's numbers. Keep in mind, while Pew bills itself as Independent, it certainly leans to the left, which is probably why they didnt release all the numbers. God forbid they stated FoxNews was the most fair of any television network, as it's doubtful any network bested the Fox numbers below since the Fox positive/negative are almost a perfect match. Interestingly, while they released the numbers for MSNBC and FOX, they didnt release individual CNN numbers, choosing to say it closely reflected the "Total Coverage" numbers below, putting it somewhere between MSNBC and FOX.

The Best (least biased) and the Worst (most biased) news coverage?

BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%

TOTAL COVERAGE (all media added together - 2,412 stories from 48 outlets)
Positive Obama Stories 36%
Positive McCain Stories 14%
Negative Obama Stories 29%
Negative McCain Stories 57%


"positive" news stories on FoxNews
Obama Putting $3.4B Toward 'Smart' Power Grid

Obama Heading to Denmark in Olympic Appeal

Obama: U.S. Does Not Recognize 'Legitimacy of Continued Israeli Settlements'

Obama on Letterman: I Was Black Before the Election

There are others, especially a lot of AP stories Fox has reprinted which place Obama in a positive light. It's rather unrealistic, and mostly the shadow of your own bias, to believe that Fox News on does negative stories on Obama. I am sure that upon reading these links someone will howl like a monkey that these are not positive stories, but that's just due to your own bias, not because of Fox News.

As for not watching Fox News... eh. I don't watch a lot of any TV. I do however read a lot on the internet, including Fox News.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:07 pm
Quote:
What happened to the media's crush on President Obama? In the second 100 days of his administration, the majority of press coverage was bad, with the president's policy proposals receiving more criticism than praise from reporters. According to a study by researchers at George Mason and Chapman universities, 59 percent of press coverage was positive during Obama's first 100 days in office, but then it dipped to 43 percent from May through mid-August. Especially tough on Obama was Fox News. Researchers analyzed portions of "Special Report with Bret Baier" because it most resembled a network newscast and found that 25 percent of the show's coverage of the president was positive. That's actually a little higher than the 21 percent positive coverage Obama garnered from the Fox News Channel show during his first 100 days.


continued at link

So, if 25% is positive, I guess your saying "Fox, on the other hand, never deviates from the Republican line. Never." would be bunk. Much as I thought.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:19 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
FOXNEWS provided the most balanced cable coverage of the 2008 presidential election among major news outlets (CNN, MSNBC, FOXNEWS) and likely the most balanced of all six outlets (NBC, CBS, ABC included), although they oddly didnt release the latter three network's numbers.


That's a weird definition of "balanced". Does that mean that you can describe a report about a serial killer only as "balanced" if the report contains an equal amount of good news about the guy? That seems silly on the face of it. Sometimes just reporting the news will mean you'll end up with a positive or a negative story about a candidate.


Also, additional info about the data:
Quote:
One question likely to be posed is whether these findings provide evidence that the news media are pro-Obama. Is there some element in these numbers that reflects a rooting by journalists for Obama and against McCain, unconscious or otherwise? The data do not provide conclusive answers. They do offer a strong suggestion that winning in politics begat winning coverage, thanks in part to the relentless tendency of the press to frame its coverage of national elections as running narratives about the relative position of the candidates in the polls and internal tactical maneuvering to alter those positions. Obama’s coverage was negative in tone when he was dropping in the polls, and became positive when he began to rise, and it was just so for McCain as well. Nor are these numbers different than what we have seen before. Obama’s numbers are similar to what we saw for John Kerry four years ago as he began rising in the polls, and McCain’s numbers are almost identical to what we saw eight years ago for Democrat Al Gore.

What the findings also reveal is the reinforcing"rather than press-generated"effects of media. We see a repeating pattern here in which the press first offers a stenographic account of candidate rhetoric and behavior, while also on the watch for misstatements and gaffes. Then, in a secondary reaction, it measures the political impact of what it has reported. This is magnified in particular during presidential races by the prevalence of polling and especially daily tracking. While this echo effect exists in all press coverage, it is far more intense in presidential elections, with the explosion of daily tracking polls, state polls, poll aggregation sites and the 24-hour cable debate over their implications. Even coverage of the candidate’s policy positions and rhetoric, our reading of these stories suggest, was tied to horse race and took on its cast.

McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:43 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

That's a weird definition of "balanced". Does that mean that you can describe a report about a serial killer only as "balanced" if the report contains an equal amount of good news about the guy? That seems silly on the face of it. Sometimes just reporting the news will mean you'll end up with a positive or a negative story about a candidate.


Balanced in relation to positive and negative coverage of each candidate. Not that hard to understand.

Quote:
BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%


MSNBC is obviously in the bag with Obama, thus "most balanced". As in the guy on the high wire that fell off last was the most balanced.
old europe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:52 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Balanced in relation to positive and negative coverage of each candidate. Not that hard to understand.


Thanks, I got that. But according to Pew, the "negative" and "positive" news stories correlated with the reporting on how the candidates were doing in the race. Meaning, a story about Obama or McCain dropping in the polls or doing badly in the race most likely generated a "negative" story about that candidate, and a story about them doing well might have generated a "positive" story.

What I'm trying to say is: if a candidate is performing abysmally in the polls and in the race, would "balanced" reporting consist of reporting precisely that, or would it consist of finding an equal number of "good stories" and putting them on the air as a counterweight to all that "negative" reporting?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 01:59 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Balanced in relation to positive and negative coverage of each candidate. Not that hard to understand.


Thanks, I got that. But according to Pew, the "negative" and "positive" news stories correlated with the reporting on how the candidates were doing in the race. Meaning, a story about Obama or McCain dropping in the polls or doing badly in the race most likely generated a "negative" story about that candidate, and a story about them doing well might have generated a "positive" story.

What I'm trying to say is: if a candidate is performing abysmally in the polls and in the race, would "balanced" reporting consist of reporting precisely that, or would it consist of finding an equal number of "good stories" and putting them on the air as a counterweight to all that "negative" reporting?


Balanced would be reporting the same about each candidate. Not whether a story is positive or negative.
old europe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 02:11 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Balanced would be reporting the same about each candidate. Not whether a story is positive or negative.


I'm not sure sure what you mean by "the same"... Are you referring to quantity of coverage, or coverage of the identical topics, or identical coverage of identical events (as far as applicable)?

Because in a way, the study did find that both candidates were being treated in "the same" way:

Quote:
They do offer a strong suggestion that winning in politics begat winning coverage, thanks in part to the relentless tendency of the press to frame its coverage of national elections as running narratives about the relative position of the candidates in the polls and internal tactical maneuvering to alter those positions. Obama’s coverage was negative in tone when he was dropping in the polls, and became positive when he began to rise, and it was just so for McCain as well.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 02:57 pm
I was away at a meeting for a few hours, but I return to find the OE has advanced exactly the argument that I would have, regarding the Pew study and what they define as a 'positive' story. A story about someone's poll numbers improving is hardly positive coverage of that person's actions or decisions.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 03:01 pm
@old europe,
Really? You don't get this particular one?

Ok, lets look at the data which they used to see who was most balanced and who was least balanced again.

BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%

So, Fox News had 25% of their coverage of Obama that was positive. 22% of their coverage of McCain was positive. so, close percentages of coverage between the two candidates. 40% of the coverage of Obama was negative leaving 35% most likely neutral. 40% of their coverage on McCain was also negative leaving 38% as neutral. So, between the 2 candidates, they had a balanced coverage between negative, neutral and positive coverage. There may have been 3000 stories about Obama and only 300 about McCain, I have no idea, but percentage wise, they approached each equally.

MSNBC on the other hand had 73% of their stories regarding Obama as positive and only 10% of the storeis regarding McCain as positive. Hardly balanced. Same with the negative at 14% Obama and 43% McCain. As you can see, the percentages of positive vs negative coverage is far more skewed in Obama's favor on MSNBC. Thus, they are least balanced.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 03:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
This is why I asked the question I did earlier about Pew. You either trust them or you don't. If you don't, it would have saved some time on my part if you would have simply said so. I am not going to research their research.

If you follow the link I provided, it discusses their research around page 6 or 7.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 03:16 pm
@McGentrix,
Thanks for posting this a third time, just in case I was too dense to read the percentages the first two times you posted them. That was helpful.

Regarding the argument you're trying to make: you're saying that a news network only qualifies as "balanced" if they spend an equal percentage of their reporting on the candidates reporting positive, negative or neutral stories.

Here's my question: what if one candidate is being caught while shagging a goat during the campaign, while the other candidate manages to single-handedly cure AIDS while running for President? Shouldn't the "positive" and "negative" news stories reflect the actual, you know, news, or would your rule still apply?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:10 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Really? You don't get this particular one?

Ok, lets look at the data which they used to see who was most balanced and who was least balanced again.

BEST (FOXNEWS)
Positive Obama Stories 25%
Positive McCain Stories 22%
Negative Obama Stories 40%
Negative McCain Stories 40%

WORST (MSDNC)
Positive Obama Stories 73%
Positive McCain Stories 10%
Negative Obama Stories 14%
Negative McCain Stories 43%


Whoa right there. Do I even need to point out to you, that this isn't data, but results garnered from data?

Quote:
So, Fox News had 25% of their coverage of Obama that was positive. 22% of their coverage of McCain was positive. so, close percentages of coverage between the two candidates. 40% of the coverage of Obama was negative leaving 35% most likely neutral. 40% of their coverage on McCain was also negative leaving 38% as neutral. So, between the 2 candidates, they had a balanced coverage between negative, neutral and positive coverage. There may have been 3000 stories about Obama and only 300 about McCain, I have no idea, but percentage wise, they approached each equally.

MSNBC on the other hand had 73% of their stories regarding Obama as positive and only 10% of the storeis regarding McCain as positive. Hardly balanced. Same with the negative at 14% Obama and 43% McCain. As you can see, the percentages of positive vs negative coverage is far more skewed in Obama's favor on MSNBC. Thus, they are least balanced.


This doesn't address OE's point about what makes up a 'positive' story. If you count it as a 'positive' story that Obama was ahead in the polls, then Obama naturally would have had a lot more positive stories about him, since he was ahead practically the whole time.

This is such a sophomoric effort on your part... I appreciate you going to the effort (really), but when you say that you won't 'fact check their conclusions' you run into a big, big problem. You might want to actually try doing that before introducing something as a data point to support your argument.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:14 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Thanks for posting this a third time, just in case I was too dense to read the percentages the first two times you posted them. That was helpful.

Regarding the argument you're trying to make: you're saying that a news network only qualifies as "balanced" if they spend an equal percentage of their reporting on the candidates reporting positive, negative or neutral stories.

Here's my question: what if one candidate is being caught while shagging a goat during the campaign, while the other candidate manages to single-handedly cure AIDS while running for President? Shouldn't the "positive" and "negative" news stories reflect the actual, you know, news, or would your rule still apply?


I posted it a third time because either you don't get it or I am not understanding what you are asking.

I am saying, that in regards to election coverage in 2008 between Obama and McCain, the positive and negative coverage was more balanced at Fox News. There is no further point beyond that. I have no idea how a news network qualifies balance beyond this particular instance. I am ONLY discussing this relationship.

I have the feeling you want more, but I do not know what it is you want. If you read the methodology that Pew used in the link I provided, maybe they will answer your questions.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:16 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Because I don't need to. If you read the ******* link they describe their methodology. I shouldn't need to hold your hands on these things.

Do I? Do I need to do that for you guys?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:21 pm
@McGentrix,
You seem to have missed this in the story McG
Quote:
Obama’s coverage was negative in tone when he was dropping in the polls, and became positive when he began to rise, and it was just so for McCain as well.

Since Obama was ahead in the polls he was more likely to have positive coverage and the author's of the data admit as much.

What I find interesting is how Fox managed to NOT have as much positive coverage at the time Obama was winning compared to the rest of the media. Since the criteria was based quite a bit on who was winning, it points to Fox not being balanced, doesn't it?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:23 pm
For those incapable of following a link...

Quote:
Methodology
October 29, 2008

The Color of News: How Different Media Have Covered the General Election is based on the aggregated data collected as part of the News Coverage Index from September 8 through October 16, 2008. This timeframe begins the Monday following the conclusion of the Republican National Convention and runs through the day after the final presidential debate between John McCain and Barack Obama.

For an accurate account of the chronology of the general election, the period studied has been broken into six distinct phases. These phases have been dictated by the timing of campaign events. Therefore, some of these phases do not correspond with a typical calendar week.

The complete methodology of the PEJ’s News Coverage Index is available here. (That means click the link)

In addition to the coding already conducted as part of PEJ’s weekly reports, researchers conducted secondary coding of many of the campaign-focused stories for tone. Details of that process are below.
PEJ’s News Coverage Index

Examining the news agenda of 48 different outlets in five media sectors, including newspapers, online, network TV, cable TV, and radio, the NCI is designed to provide news consumers, journalists and researchers with hard data about what stories and topics the media are covering, the trajectories of major stories and differences among news platforms.

Following a rotation system, PEJ monitors 48 different news outlets each week: 34 or 35 outlets each weekday as well as 7 newspapers each Sunday.
The list of outlets and rotation is as follows:

Newspapers (13 in all, Sun-Fri)
The New York Times every day


Coded two out of these four every day
The Washington Post
Los Angeles Times
USA Today
The Wall Street Journal


Coded two out of these four every day
Philadelphia Inquirer
Chicago Tribune
Arkansas Democrat-Gazette
San Francisco Chronicle


Coded 2 out of these 4 every day
New Hampshire Union-Leader
MetroWest Daily News
The Gazette (Colorado Springs)
Modesto Bee

Web sites (Five in all, Mon-Fri)
CNN.com
Yahoo News
MSNBC.com
Google News
AOL News

Network TV (Seven in all, Mon-Fri)

Morning shows
ABC " Good Morning America
CBS " Early Show
NBC " Today

Evening news
ABC " World News Tonight
CBS " CBS Evening News
NBC " NBC Nightly News
PBS " Newshour with Jim Lehrer (Rotated daily between the first 30 minutes and the second 30 minutes)

Cable TV (Fifteen in all, Mon-Fri)

Daytime (2:00 to 2:30 pm) coded 2 out of 3 every day
CNN
Fox News
MSNBC

Nighttime CNN " coded 3 out of the 4 every day
Situation Room (6 pm)
Lou Dobbs Tonight
CNN Election Center
Anderson Cooper 360

Nighttime Fox News " coded 3 out of the 4 every day
Special Report w/ Brit Hume
Fox Report w/ Shepard Smith
O’Reilly Factor
Hannity & Colmes

Nighttime MSNBC " coded 2 out of the 4 every day
Race for the White House
Hardball (7 pm)
Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann
Rachel Maddow

Radio (Six in all, Mon-Fri)
ABC Radio headlines at 9am and 5pm
CBS Radio headlines at 9am and 5pm
NPR Morning Edition every day (Rotated daily between the first 30 minutes of the first hour and first 30 minutes of the second hour)


Talk Radio
Rush Limbaugh every other day

One out of two additional conservatives each day
Sean Hannity
Michael Savage


One out of two liberals each day
Ed Schultz
Randi Rhodes

From that content, PEJ analyzes all stories with a national or international focus that appear as follows:

* On the front page of newspapers
* In the entirety of commercial network evening newscasts and syndicated radio headlines
* During the first 30 minutes of network morning news, all cable programs, and talk radio programs
* During a thirty minute segment (rotated daily) of the PBS evening news and NPR’s Morning Edition
* As one of the top 5 stories on each Web site at the time of capture


Capture and Retrieval
All outlets included in the weekly index are captured and included in PEJ’s media archive.

For newspapers that are available in print in the Washington, D.C. area, we have hard copies delivered to our office each day. For newspapers that are not available for delivery, digital editions of the paper are retrieved either through the newspaper’s own Web site, or through the use of digital delivery services such as pressdisplay.com and newsstand.com. When necessary, the text of articles are supplemented by the archives available in the LexisNexis computer database.

Radio programs are captured through online streams of the shows. Using automated software, we record several local affiliates that air the program in various markets throughout the country. The purpose of this method is to ensure that we have a version of the program in case one of the streams is unavailable on a particular day, and so that we record the show in a manner that represents the way a typical listener would hear the program with commercials and newsbreaks.

Online websites are captured manually by a member of PEJ’s staff. The capture time is rotated daily between 9 am ET and 4 pm ET. The home pages and pages with the top articles for all five sites are saved so that when we reference the material, the format is the same as it appeared online at the time of capture.
Finally, all television shows are recorded digitally and archived for coding purposes. PEJ is a subscriber to DirectTV satellite service and all programs are recorded onto multiple TiVo recording units before being burned onto DVDs for archival purposes.

All television and radio programs are then coded by a member of PEJ’s staff who watches or listens to the archived version of the program.

Coding Team & Process for Weekly Index Coding
The data in this study derived from PEJ’s regular Index coding was created by PEJ’s team of 14 trained coders. We have tested all of the variables derived from the regular weekly Index coding and all the variables reached a level of agreement of 80% or higher. For specific information about those tests, see the methodology section for the NCI.

A majority of the codes and variables used in this study come out of the coding protocol created for the weekly Campaign Coverage Index which PEJ has been issuing throughout 2008. For the variables of frame/campaign topic, significant presence, and lead newsmaker, the data came from all campaign stories that appeared in PEJ’s weekly coding. The specific description of those variables can be found here.
Additional Coding of Campaign Stories for Tone

Between September 8 and October 16, the PEJ’s overall Index included 2,412 campaign stories. To measure the tone of the campaign coverage of the major presidential and vice presidential candidates, PEJ’s researchers conducted additional coding on a sample of the campaign stories that appeared in our weekly indexes.


Sample Selection
Stories in the NCI are considered to be about the presidential election if 50% or more of the story was devoted to discussion of the on-going presidential campaign. To analyze stories about tone about a given candidate, only stories in which at least one of the four major presidential and vice presidential candidates (John McCain, Barack Obama, Sarah Palin, and Joe Biden) were a lead newsmaker were included. For a candidate to be considered a lead newsmaker, they must be featured in at least 50% of the time or space that makes up that story.

Two categories of stories were excluded from the sample. Talk radio stories, which are part of PEJ’s regular NCI, were not included in this campaign study of tone. Broadcast stories that were 30 seconds or less were also excluded.

PEJ conducted further sampling on the selected stories. This was done by arranging the stories from each outlet in chronological order and randomly selecting a first story. We then selected every-other story within each outlet to arrive at the final sample.

This process resulted in 857 total stories from 43 different media outlets. These included 72 newspaper stories, 78 stories from news websites, 213 stories from network TV, 448 from cable TV, and 46 from radio programs.


Coding Design
The specific analysis of tone was conducted on the subset of campaign stories that was described above. The method of measuring tone was the same that had been used in previous PEJ studies.


Unit of Analysis
The unit of analysis for this study was the story. Each story was coded for tone for each of the four politicians followed in the study. If a candidate did not appear in at least 25% of the story, they were not considered a significant figure in the story and where therefore coded as “n/a” for not having a significant presence.

Coders then determined the tone of the story as a whole for each candidate who was a significant presence.

Tone Variable
The tone variable measures whether a story’s tone is constructed in a way, via use of quotes, assertions, or innuendo, which results in positive, neutral, or negative coverage for the primary figure as it relates to the topic of the story. While reading or listening to a story, coders tallied up all the comments that have either a negative or positive tone to the reporting. Direct and indirect quotes were counted along with assertions made by journalists themselves.

In order for a story to be coded as either “positive” or “negative,” it must have either 1.5 times the amount of positive comments to negative comments, or 1.5 times the amount of negative comments to positive comments (with an exception for 2 to 3, which is coded as “neutral”). If the headline or lead has a positive or negative tone, it was counted twice into the total value. Also counted twice for tone were the first three paragraphs or first four sentences, whichever came first.

Any story where the ratio of positive to negative comments was less than 1.5 to 1 was considered a “neutral” story.

In some previous studies, PEJ used a ratio of 2 to 1 instead of 1.5 to 1 in determining the overall tone of news stories.

The 2:1 ratio makes sets the bar even higher for a story to be coded as either positive or negative overall. As we entered the 2008 election campaign, PEJ reviewed and retested both the 2:1 ratio and the 1:5 to 1 ratio. We also consulted with academics of content analysis. First, we found only minor shifts in the overall outcome of stories. Indeed, in past content studies where we coded using both ratios, the overall relationship of positive to negative stories changed very little. The bigger difference was in an increase in mixed or neutral stories. In our pre-tests in 2007, the Project felt that the 1.5 to 1 ratio more precisely represented the overall tone of the stories. The academics consulted concurred.

Still, in making comparisons to previous years, it is important to note the different measures used. The 1.5 to 1 ratio was used in our previous 2007 study about the Invisible Primary season. The 2 to 1 ratio was used in PEJ’s 2004 report called The Debate Effect and the 2001 report on coverage of George W. Bush’s first 100 days in office.


Coding Team & Process for Specific Campaign-related Tone Coding
A team of five of PEJ’s experienced coders worked with a coding administrator in order to complete the specific tone coding for the campaign stories. Of the five coders, all but one had previously coded for tone in a previous PEJ campaign study.

The previous study that PEJ conducted in October 2007 using the same process for determining tone had a rate of agreement for intercoder reliability of 86%.

For this study, each of the five coders were trained (or re-trained) on the tone coding methodology and then were given the same set of 40 stories to code for tone for each of the four candidates. The rate of intercoder reliability agreement was 81%


You can find more links in this article by clicking here so you can read the original.

Beyond this, I am afraid you will need to contact Pew to answer your questions.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:37 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
I am saying, that in regards to election coverage in 2008 between Obama and McCain, the positive and negative coverage was more balanced at Fox News.


You're arguing that "balanced" reporting will consist of reporting that includes an equal percentage of positive, negative and neutral news stories about the candidates.

What you completely ignore is whether the news produced by the candidates - how they are running their campaigns, whether they do exceptionally well or run an exceptionally smart campaign, or whether they flub and commit gaffes and make mistakes - was the same, too. Apparently, news reporting should not be influenced by the actual news in order not to be biased.

That's a pretty convoluted concept of "balanced" reporting.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 04:45 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Because I don't need to. If you read the ******* link they describe their methodology. I shouldn't need to hold your hands on these things.


You didn't read the methodology link, because that link doesn't describe how they decide whether a story is positive or negative. Do yourself a favor. Click on the link yourself and see if you can find that information. Then, when you fail to, come back and let us know that you're sorry.

Quote:
Do I? Do I need to do that for you guys?


You're gonna feel bad about writing this once you take the time to read their link.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 06:47 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
I am saying, that in regards to election coverage in 2008 between Obama and McCain, the positive and negative coverage was more balanced at Fox News.


You're arguing that "balanced" reporting will consist of reporting that includes an equal percentage of positive, negative and neutral news stories about the candidates.

What you completely ignore is whether the news produced by the candidates - how they are running their campaigns, whether they do exceptionally well or run an exceptionally smart campaign, or whether they flub and commit gaffes and make mistakes - was the same, too. Apparently, news reporting should not be influenced by the actual news in order not to be biased.

That's a pretty convoluted concept of "balanced" reporting.


You are still not getting what I am arguing then.
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