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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and you don't seem to understand that I'm not talking about fact I'm talking about PERCEPTION and it's result.

I saw that, I'm arguing that the perception is wrong.

I honestly don't see how you can argue that this perception is growing in the general public, I truly don't.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Robert Gentel wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and you don't seem to understand that I'm not talking about fact I'm talking about PERCEPTION and it's result.

I saw that, I'm arguing that the perception is wrong.

I honestly don't see how you can argue that this perception is growing in the general public, I truly don't.

Well, I honestly don't see this perception growing among the peopleI know personally who voted for Obama. Admittedly, that's a small and rather specialized sampling, but I can only go by what I observe. Most of the people I know will admit that he's far from perfect, but largely is living up to expectations and is certainly a breath of fresh air following the debacle of the past eight years.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I honestly don't see how you can argue that this perception is growing in the general public, I truly don't.

I'm not sure I understand, but I'm not arguing that this perception is or is not growing. I'm arguing that it is misplaced, regardless of how widely it is held.

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@Robert Gentel,

maybe maybe not.... but the perception will give way to the same disastrous result true or not... and we are headed down that path I fear.

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@Merry Andrew,

General public Merry.... you are suffering from the same fatal flaw that plagues most clear and reasonable thinkers.... you think that most other people think that way Laughing

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

How so? The "do nothing politicians" is pretty much the standard perception among a big part of the population no matter who's in power in my experience. People either hate everything the leader does or find them to be ineffective and useless. I rarely ever see a leader who most people think is doing great and getting things done.

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and as a result of that, Congress regularly changes hands. Becuase this time around people were expecting a miraculous Kennedy/Jesus type paradigm shift in the way things are done.... because expectations for change were SO much higher this time... the general perception is that it's not happening and so the disapointment will be even more severe, the republicans will get the maximum amount of mileage out of it as they always do, they are SOOOOO much better at it the the dems, and Congress will go back to the repubs (or more accurately the people who have usurped the repubs) and then we're fucked even worse.

Obama is smarter, may or may not have a master plan, but this healthcare defeat, and without a public option that's exactly what it is, the perception and promotion from even the liberal media figures who supported Obama that this entire healthcare issue is a farce and a "blowjob to the insurance industry" will sink him and the party with him IMO.

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss. That's the growing perception in the general population. It's undeniable.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

The average Obama voter did not expect miracles. Most people are pragmatic. A few steps toward health care reform need to be accomplished this year. In succeeding years, further steps can be taken.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

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Meet the new boss... same as the old boss. That's the growing perception in the general population. It's undeniable.

The old boss was George W. Bush... I don't believe that anyone is dumb enough to mistake the two.

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@ebrown p,

I agree totally. No one on either side is confusing the two. GWB is just a bad memory for almost everyone. Even people who don't like Obama's politics admit he's intelligent and dignified. Obama is still the best hope for most- and for a small niche of closed minded, big mouths he will always represent their worst fears.

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@wandeljw,

wandeljw wrote:

The average Obama voter did not expect miracles. Most people are pragmatic.

I do think that there was some proportion of the voting public (not just Obama supporters) who hoped against hope that there would be a more dramatic change than there has been.

The whole "hope" message might have back-fired a bit.

... but I'm still hopeful Cool

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It is a pity that the right is not giving Obama the chance to enact his programs. We know that the right utterly failed the country while it had control. But the right is very, very, good at throwing mud and mounting persecutions. We saw that when Clinton was endlessly persecuted over the phony Whitewater charges.

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@Advocate,

The right has nothing to do with it.

Presidency = Democrats
House = Democrats
Senate = Democrats

The house and the senate have huge majorities.

Keep blaming the Republicans and you'll find out soon that they'll really be to blame once they gain in majority.

Start focusing your anger towards the people you elected.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

It is a pity that the right is not giving Obama the chance to enact his programs. We know that the right utterly failed the country while it had control. But the right is very, very, good at throwing mud and mounting persecutions. We saw that when Clinton was endlessly persecuted over the phony Whitewater charges.

Three sentences: three rather silly misstatements of fact. Par for the course for Advocate.

The Democrats enjoy substantial majorities in both houses of Congress. If they can't enact "his programs" under these conditions, they can't do anything they really wish to do. The truth is that no one really knows what the esteemed Obama's programs really are, because he simply won't come down from the high plains of his elevated, vague, and endlessly repeated rhetoric. The public (with some help from Republican opponents to be sure) has caught on to the strange lack of specifics and the rather scary determination of his supporters to force something on us, and this has frightened enough Democrat legislators to put the whole thing in jeapordy. Whose fault is that ?

The "right" did not "utterly fail the country when it had control" . This is simply more of the meaningless, insipid rhetoric that is sadly so characteristic of Advocate.

The Whitewater charges were not phony. They were very strongly suggestive of some sweetheart land deals and investment scams. Nothing criminally prosecutable, but certainly typical of the political mud that is thrown so liberally by both parties.

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we need to reelect democrats into congress and the presidency untill we git rid of the conserative supreme court justices who are so business orentitated. We need to do away with the idea that coporations are entities like common people and the idea that money is the same as free speach. Money has bought all the politicians and untill we git reasonable political donation laws nothing will ever change in washington. Business and the rich controll government and always have.

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@ebrown p,

they're already criticizing Obama's war policy as a continuation of bushs'....don't be so sure...the spin machine is in overtime....most of America is dumb enough to compare Obama to bush if they're told so enough.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

they're already criticizing Obama's war policy as a contimuation of bushs'....don't be so sure...the spin machine is in overtime....most of America is dumb enough to compare Obama to bush if they're told so enough.

That's OK. Any such comparison can only be favorable to Obama.

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the repubs can say and they will , that they admit bush was a **** up and not a real repub, that Obama is no better, and that people want to get back to the values the REAL Republican party is going provide once again. they'll go for it, the repubs will regain power and nothing will change except for the worse. they have Palin et al to keep the base stirred up... and will point to how Obama was elected to end the war and reform healthcare and didn't deliver on either.

I'm not saying I believe that's true... I'm stating what I feel is the republican strategy and I don't have enough faith in the American people anymore to thnk they won't fall for it.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I'm not saying I believe that's true... I'm stating what I feel is the republican strategy and I don't have enough faith in the American people anymore to thnk they won't fall for it.

So far it's looking pretty true though.

Obama is following BUSH's Iraqi withdrawl plan; and we both know how well healthcare is going.

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@Bi-Polar Bear,

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss. That's the growing perception in the general population. It's undeniable.

That happens every single time. New guy comes in, people are too optimistic. Then they settle back into their regular pessimism.

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