@Ticomaya,
missed the PAT and 3 field goals
@realjohnboy,
Is it still true that after a touchdown the team can run or pass instead of go for a kick and extra point... and that if the run or pass works, it's two points? If so, it doesn't seem to me to happen all that often, much like the safety and its two points.
@panzade,
Hah, I got a queasy feeling about changing to Kansas City too, and controlled my evil instincts. I think last time I won the week, I got a 3 out of 16, or something like that, the next week. Pride goeth before a fall, especially since my football knowledge is pretty superficial.
@ossobuco,
i'd say the safety is a luck play, while the 2 point conversion is a strategy play.
When you're behind by 8...you still can tie
@ossobuco,
Oops, didn't see the earlier posts on the conversion..
@ossobuco,
Quote:my football knowledge is pretty superficial.
I beg to differ bear-woman. You obviously combed the injury report to note Ledanian Tomlinson was out with an injury...surely this prompted your switch
@panzade,
It wasn't the injury report - while I admit I have that bookmarked though I often fail to look at it - it was a line re Tomlinson in either Sports Illustrated or ESPN's NFL site where they keep a running list of recent NFL news.
@ossobuco,
On superficial - I know almost nothing about different defense strategies, blah blah blah, closing gaps in eight man lines, blah blah.. know from zilch about bookmaking/betting.. blah blah.
@Ticomaya,
Wouldn't that be a TD+PAT (7), 2 FG (3+3) and a Safety (2)?
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
On superficial - I know almost nothing about different defense strategies, blah blah blah, closing gaps in eight man lines, blah blah.. know from zilch about bookmaking/betting.. blah blah.
That's probably why you won this week.
Here is probably more than you would ever want to know about the 1-point kick for a PAT vs a run or pass from the 2-yard line for a 2-point PAT.
The NFL changed the rules in 1994 to allow teams to go for either the 1 or 2- point option. In that 1st year, there were 116 attempts at getting 2-points. 58 were successful (50%). Compare that to the virtually 100% success rate of the kick for 1-point. No advantage.
Coaches thought it might be easy to get the 2-points from the 2-yard line, but the field is only 12 yards deep and the defense could flood the line.
By 1999, there were only 84 attempts at going for 2-points and the success rate fell to 37%. In 2007, there were 60 attempts with half of them working (50%).
In a hypothetical game, if a team scores with 10 seconds left and the score at, say, 27-29, they will have to try for 2-points to force overtime.
But suppose the score is 28-29 before the PAT attempt. They can kick for an almost assured 1-point to force overtime, or they can go for 2-points and the immediate win, with a 50-50 chance of it working.
This is where it gets weird. If they kick for the tie to send it into overtime, they will have a 50-50 chance of winning the coin toss to determine who gets the ball 1st in sudden death overtime. The team that wins the toss wins the game 53% of the time, but just 30% of the time does a team that wins the toss march down the field to end the game in one possession, which is what sudden-death is about.
Sunday, 9/27, early games...
Philadelphia
Green Bay
San Francisco
Baltimore
NY Giants
Houston
NY Jets
New England
Washington
9/27 late games...
Chicago
New Orleans
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Denver
Sunday night game...
Indianapolis
Monday night game...
Dallas 34-30
@Foxfyre,
Right. I think sheer guesses based on hunches can win for you. Then again..
@realjohnboy,
Well, the whole overtime thing is weird in itself.. the coin toss quite often being the decider.
@realjohnboy,
I just found out my troubles have just begun.
@spendius,
Um, okay. You forgot where you left your shoes? Or your keys or glasses?
Happens to me all the time.
@panzade,
HA! I was going to say they had are really bad place kicker who couldn't convert, or a really bad offense who couldn't get it over the goal line.
One last comment re 3-points or 7-points etc.
Last week, Rockhead predicted a final score of 19-16 in the game that we would be using as the tie-breaker. Run your 7's and 3's and that doesn't work.
He was positioning himself. If he was tied with a player who had predicted the winning team's points as 21 and with another player at 17, he would win.
Rockhead aint as dumb as he looks.
It didn't work, as the score was higher, but it could have.
