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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 07:10 am
@oralloy,
stop tthe buffoonery. weapons, not grips. "just as dead" is nonsense. the FACT is they die from gunshots, not something else..
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 01:37 pm
@oralloy,
So, talk about something else.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 02:10 pm
@InfraBlue,
Your tolerance for grave violations of our fundamental rights is much higher than mine.

It is completely unacceptable for the government to outlaw criticism of its policies.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 02:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
you're confused about not being confusable. flat out.

No I'm not.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 02:12 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
stop the buffoonery.

No such buffoonery.


MontereyJack wrote:
weapons, not grips.

"Outlawing pistol grips on long guns" and "outlawing long guns whenever they have pistol grips on them" is just saying the same thing with different words.


MontereyJack wrote:
"just as dead" is nonsense.

That is incorrect. People who are killed with knives are indeed just as dead as people who are killed with guns.


MontereyJack wrote:
the FACT is they die from gunshots, not something else..

Who cares? They are just as dead no matter what was used to kill them.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 07:03 pm
@oralloy,
To go along with your analogy, you'd still be able to talk about something.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 07:22 pm
@InfraBlue,
Irrelevant. It is still completely unacceptable for the government to violate our civil liberties.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 08:06 pm
@oralloy,
It's your analogy.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 08:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
I know that.

It is still completely unacceptable for the government to commit grave violations of our fundamental rights.
NealNealNeal
 
  0  
Tue 27 Jul, 2021 10:35 pm
@oralloy,
We have gone from Kerri Strug to Simone
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Jul, 2021 01:53 am
@NealNealNeal,
The pressure on her must be enormous. I can't even imagine what it must be like.
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Teaball
 
  -1  
Fri 30 Jul, 2021 12:06 pm
@InfraBlue,
Hello InfraBlue,

In response to your statement, "Seeing as how it would be a violation of the Constitution, assuming amendments weren't passed by the legislature repealing the 2nd amendment, it would be a symptom of a much, much larger problem.",

You are correct. But have we not noticed how the Constitution has been violated in many cases through the years by the making of items protected by it appear as if offensive and thus unconstitutional and must be banned?

Consider the classic example of constitutionally protected public prayer that was made to appears as a violation of the first amendment and thus banned because it's supposedly offensive to non-Christians. Unlike robbery, voluntary prayer is not offensive by nature but instead a blessing for all. Scripture instructs that all (regardless the nationality) should always pray and faint not (Luke 18:1). Look at the consequent chaos around us after 60 years with God thrown out of public education. Was anyone punished for this unconstitutional ban?

Although true that public gun safety should always be top priority, isn't there also a danger of overstressing to the point of fanaticism? Such can serve as another means for getting around the constitution that protects the rights to bear arms. We must be aware of the danger of ulterior motives.

Aren't there many other grave dangers to the public that should be dealt with NOW!? Do we hear very much about black on black violence for example?

ELD
BillW
 
  2  
Sat 31 Jul, 2021 06:03 pm
@Teaball,
Your right does not offset my rights, but this is pure poppycock:

"Consider the classic example of constitutionally protected public prayer that was made to appears as a violation of the first amendment and thus banned because it's supposedly offensive to non-Christians. "
Teaball
 
  0  
Sat 31 Jul, 2021 07:27 pm
@BillW,
Please explain how my statement is poppycock.
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InfraBlue
 
  2  
Sat 31 Jul, 2021 11:34 pm
@Teaball,
Do you have a specific example the Constitution being violated by the making of items protected by it appear as if offensive and thus unconstitutional and banned?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:11 pm
How's that gun control thing working out in the UK?

LOL!

https://news.sky.com/story/significant-ambulance-response-deployed-to-incident-in-plymouth-12379946
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 07:31 pm
@oralloy,
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/emergency-services-deployed-at-scene-incident-city-plymouth-england-2021-08-12/

I wonder if they qualify for Darwin Awards since they were not carrying guns to defend themselves with.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 08:31 pm
@oralloy,
TODDLER SHOOTS, KILLS MOM DURING VIDO CALL AFTER FINDING GUN, FLORIDA POLICE SAY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/toddler-shoots-kills-mom-during-video-call-after-finding-gun-florida-police-say/ar-AANg8Sy?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

aND SHE'D BE JUST AS DEAD IF HER BABY HAD STABBED HER TEN TIMES WITH A KNIFE OR STRSANGLED HER, WOULDN'T SHE, ORALLOY

Nice to see babies with such a finely developed appreciation for civil liberties,
isn't it, oralloy?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 08:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
Why wasn't the gun in a holster?
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 08:41 pm
@oralloy,
""the United Kingdom has one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world, and mass shootings are rare. This was the first mass shooting in the country for 11 years.'"

from your cite, which you unaccountably left out. no guns, no oned ead, but that logic seems to escape you.

a FAR CRY FROM THE SIATES WHERE WE GET A MASS SHOOTING EVERY DAY OR TWO.
 

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