Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

Only a conservative loon could maintain that was a peaceful protest. Or that stalin was a progressive hero. If the shoe fits, wear it.

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@MontereyJack,

Yes. Conservatives are in fact the ones who point out facts and reality.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

He wasn't referring to your eyesight you idiot.

You are the only idiot here.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You've just proved that you and reality have absolutely no points of contact.

You have a big mouth for someone who can't back up his claims by pointing out anything untrue in my post.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Only a conservative loon would believe that was a peaceful protest.

Facts and conservatism go hand-in-hand.

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@oralloy,

Youmight try them some time. be a welcome change from your usual nonsense.

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@oralloy,

I backed up the case for trump and his lackeys violent insurrection perfectly. So did the hours of live tv cokverage and the replays and the investigations, and the indic arrests ongoing and the charges and so will the multiple court cases coming down the pike, and you'll look even sillier than you do now.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You've got a lot of it wrong. I assume your last paragraph is about trump. It wasn't somethng Dem leaders foisted on us. The majority of the country, which voted against him, realized his incompetence, his corruption and his narcissism and rage. Which is why he lost the vote, and why he was voted out of office after one term It's called the wisdom of the crowd. He did not deserve your "excellent". He several times won the title of "worst president ever". Deservedly.We can go over the issues one by one if you want:

(1) IRAN:
Obama played the game of "don't cross the (red) line" with Iran several times. When Iran repeatedly crossed over the line, Obama would basically say "Oh my!!! Will you better not cross this line ". Iran did whatever it pleased when Obama was president.
Trump was strict with Iran and Iran backed down. Trump helped Iran's fearful neighbors to organize and stand up to Iran.
A similar situation occurred with North Korea.
As soon as Trump left office, Iran began to act up. Who knows what they will do now that Biden is president.
Note: Carter allowed the Soviet Union to run over Afghanistan. Reagan put a stop to that and crushed the Soviet Union.

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@NealNealNeal,

(2) Trump moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, despite proests of doom here in the U.S. It was a fantastic move.

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@NealNealNeal,

(3) Trump negotiated the release of political and religious leaders from persecution in the Middle East.

I will let you respond before continuing.

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@NealNealNeal,

you didn't answer my points.

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@MontereyJack,

There is good reason to believe that there was fraud in the November 2020 (BOZO) election.

If there are any other points that you want to discuss please tell me.

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@NealNealNeal,

No there is not. That is why biden is now the president. couunts and recounts and re-recounts, the testimony of election officials from both parties, debunked clains of fraud, and a string of sixty cases thrown out of court, including SCOTUS cases, ALL say there wasn't fraud. It was another monumental lie from an ex-president who lied continuoujsly during his botched time in office.
You're pushing debunked conspiracy theories.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

Facts and conservatism go hand-in-hand.

I'm not sure where you mind has been going recently, but facts go hand in hand with neither conseratism nor progressiveness . Neither are conservatives or progressives are all good or all evil. Both of these types of thoughts, if actually believed, are delusional.

People don't fit into neat categories. And almost all persons have their ideology/values/beliefs warp their perceptions of 'facts'.

Only the last sentence directly above comes close to factual, andeven then, it can't be applied to all persons, not even to all persons of any group.

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@MontereyJack,

Yes. Trump used his legal options. The political process was supposed to continue in Congress. This was all quite legal.
Trump made a speech which was his right to do
Some individuals broke the law probably because the summer rioters only got a slap on the hand for their illegal actions.
Please refer to Sen. Schumer's speech directed at our Supreme Court about a year ago. This speech was like Jonathan Edwards' sermon "Sinner in the hands of an angry God" and was especially directed to 2 Supreme Court justices. This was infinitely worse than Trump's speech.

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@NealNealNeal,

trump's actions may have been legal but they were all lies, and they led directly insurrection and sedition. They were intended solely to steal an election he indisputably lost

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@MontereyJack,

I was agreeing with your previous statement that Trump has used all legal means available.
I don't believe that anybody thought that they could forcibly keep Trump in office on January 21. They simply saw the summer rioters get away with violence and they decided to do the same.
The biggest problem is that there is a big division in this country. We are a country in trouble. Our constitutional rights are being taken away from us.
By the way in your conversation with Ollie, you missed two facts:
(1) Republicans GAINED seats in the House
(2) The Senate is evenly split (although the VP will cast the deciding vote if there is a tie).

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@NealNealNeal,

The violent insurrection at the capitol was precisely because trump and the mob thought they could force a trump victory by stopping the count of the electoral ballots, enabling pence to declare the count invalid and joining forces with the sens and reps who refused to accept the election .o name new rump electors to replace the biden electors. the attempted coup blew up in their faces. The summer deonstrations did not figure at all. As we have seen, these were hard right conspirators who came to d.,c. determined to put trump in in spite of the election. They were Qanon, militia, right wing white supremacists, hard right zealots determined to wage war on our freedom for trump.

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@NealNealNeal,

As asar as your end points go, dems retained control of the house, dems won the presidency, dems took control of the senate since trump went down to georgia to stump for the republican candidates and in spite of his ballyhooed rallies lost both races and gave the dems the senate, which everyone thought was virtually immpossible. except for stacy abrrams, who did the impossible. Biden in 2020, harris for pres in 24 or 28, as biden decides. abrams for pres after eight harris years.

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@MontereyJack,

History shows quite clearly that there is zero chance of the Democrats holding the White House for longer than eight years this time around.

History also shows that it is likely that the Democrats will only hold the White House for four years, and the Republicans will then hold the White House for an extended period (like Reagan after Carter).

But even if that doesn't come to pass, there is still no chance of the Democrats holding the White House for longer than eight years this time around.

I do understand that progressives reject facts and reality. No need to belabor the point.

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