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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:42 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again. "Blahblah" does not answer the question.

It just shows what a horrible racist you are. Laughing
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:43 am
@oralloy,
hyou clearly have no idea of what facism (sic) is.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:44 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again. I know what fascism is.

Changing the subject will not change the fact that you couldn't answer the question.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:45 am
@oralloy,
whatever you're gonna say and your reply was just blank when I started typing it, it'll be nonsense.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:46 am
@MontereyJack,
Progressives really really hate facts.

But no. Facts are not nonsense.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:46 am
@oralloy,
You called it facism. And I was right, it was nonsense.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:47 am
@MontereyJack,
I called what fascism?

I am unsure what you are referring to, but is unlikely that you are right.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:48 am
@oralloy,
oh come on. wait until you actually have thought up a silly rejoinder before you post blanks.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 01:31 pm
@Olivier5,
From the same series by Angèle Essamba:

https://www.essamba-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Noir-43-2001.jpg
Noir 43

https://www.essamba-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Le-penseur-20011.jpg
Le penseur

https://www.essamba-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Double-dos-et-face-2002-1024x723.jpg
Double dos et face
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 05:02 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It doesn't matter how many of these supposed indicators existed. The only way for him to end his menace was to withdraw.
This isn't even interpretation - this is just your opinion.

Quote:
If you are a human being, then you would feel menaced by this guy.

My only assumption is that you are a human being. I feel that this is a safe assumption. Are you secretly an alien from another galaxy?
By the vague threat, then him offering my dog a treat? Sure, I said that I would perceive it as threatening - multiple times now. Why do you keep ignoring this?

The differences you don't seem to comprehend include:
- the degree of menace that would be perceived (subjective)
- how long the menace would be perceived to exist (subjective); and
- that it can be handled in multiple ways (not just a racist way)

I've already discussed at length about the degree and how long it should have been perceived to exist, and why it should have quickly abated.

How you handle it will affect:
- the degree of menace you perceive (afterwards, you may go - oh, he didn't mean any threat at all)
- how long you perceive the menace to last.


Handling a perceived threat or menace can be done in many ways - not just fight, flight, freeze; but also can include: talk to the person, seek more information, try and understand the cause, look at it from the other persons perspective, admit any contribution you made, tell them that you felt threatened (as it may not have been a threat), make friends, etc. Doing so clarifies vague intentions, creates understanding, and many of those things (which are essentially just talking & understanding) will reduce or eliminate even intentional threats (real life ones. Forum attacks are different because there is no face to face interaction, and therefore no consequences, and no need / less desire for understanding).
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 07:28 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
This isn't even interpretation - this is just your opinion.

That is incorrect. It is a fact that, having established himself as a menace, the only way for him to remove the menace was to withdraw.


vikorr wrote:
By the vague threat, then him offering my dog a treat? Sure, I said that I would perceive it as threatening - multiple times now. Why do you keep ignoring this?

Because you keep wrongly saying that the menace would go away without him withdrawing, and I am challenging your mistaken claims.


vikorr wrote:
The differences you don't seem to comprehend include:
- the degree of menace that would be perceived (subjective)
- how long the menace would be perceived to exist (subjective); and
- that it can be handled in multiple ways

The differences are not meaningful.


vikorr wrote:
(not just a racist way)

There is nothing racist about calling the police when a stranger is menacing you.


vikorr wrote:
I've already discussed at length about the degree and how long it should have been perceived to exist, and why it should have quickly abated.

Your claims are in error. The menace does not go away until the menacing man goes away.


vikorr wrote:
How you handle it will affect:
- the degree of menace you perceive (afterwards, you may go - oh, he didn't mean any threat at all)
- how long you perceive the menace to last.

The menace does not go away until the menacing man goes away.


vikorr wrote:
Handling a perceived threat or menace can be done in many ways - not just fight, flight, freeze; but also can include: talk to the person, seek more information, try and understand the cause, look at it from the other persons perspective, admit any contribution you made, tell them that you felt threatened (as it may not have been a threat), make friends, etc. Doing so clarifies vague intentions, creates understanding, and many of those things (which are essentially just talking & understanding) will reduce or eliminate even intentional threats

That's just not realistic after a stranger acts like he did in a secluded area of a park.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 07:58 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
That is incorrect. It is a fact that, having established himself as a menace, the only way for him to remove the menace was to withdraw.
Which is still your opinion, and a flawed one at that, as I later explained - there are multiple ways for the threat to diminish without him having to withdraw:
- her recognising the threat didn't exist
- her asking herself why he was so reasonable, calm, and recording
- her engaging in conflict management
Handled correctly, they could even have shook hands before they parted ways (ie. there would have been no menace before they parted ways)

Quote:
The differences are not meaningful.
Not if you want an one eye, black & white view of things (yes, pun intended). They are very meaningful to any rational decision making, and to how you handle such a confrontation:

- mild threat (talk a person down); threat to life (consider options); threat to life with a gun (run for your life or fight for your life). Degree affects decision making - always
- recognise threat diminishing - can modify how you handle things
- handle things well with many threats, and you will find any of: no threat existing, misunderstanding, commonality, threat is clarified, compromise, agreement etc

Quote:
That's just not realistic after a stranger acts like he did in a secluded area of a park.
It is entirely realistic - he engaged in no threatening behaviour on the video and was very rational and calm - there was every chance for her to talk and clarify things. Just because people no longer take responsibility for managing their own conflicts, does not make it unrealistic. The methods I mentioned are what normal, rational, people who solve their own problems do - they talk to make sure they have a clear understanding.

Your mental gymnastics to justify your opinions are really quite amazing. Perhaps its because you appear to want to deal with everything through threat of a gun / have little conflict management skill? You certainly show every sign of having poor conflict management skills if you don't follow how this could have turned out very differently (with her understanding no threat existed)
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 08:38 pm
@oralloy,
Since Amy has admitted she was wrong, you are left in the unenviable position of seeing your star defense witness now testifying for the prosecution, while you double down and insist she should have shot him for a nonexistent crime which exists only in your fevered imagination. The world calls your opinion murder. You should too.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 08:41 pm
@MontereyJack,
That you bully innocent people into making false confessions says more about you than it does your victims.

Self defense is not murder in any way. People have the right to protect themselves from dangerous thugs.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 08:53 pm
@oralloy,
Now here's a novel thought.. she was caught red-handed and admitted the obvious.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 08:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
There is nothing even remotely wrong about her wanting to be protected from a dangerous thug.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:03 pm
@oralloy,
he wasn't dangerous. He wasn't threatening her. He isn't your racist characterization of him as a thug. And she admitted it. You're doubling down when the evidence has deserted you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
That is incorrect. He said that she wasn't going to like what he was about to do, and then he tried to lure her pet away from her.

Falsely accusing everyone of racism makes you look pretty goofy.

That you bully innocent people into making false confessions says more about you than it does your victims.

The evidence shows that the thug said that she wasn't going to like what he was about to do, and then tried to lure her pet away from her.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:10 pm
@oralloy,
correction. You're not doubling down with your Amy=disproven claims. You're triipling down on them. Which just means they're three times as false.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 09:12 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy--co founder of Racists R Us
 

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