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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 3 Sep, 2019 10:42 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
The right wing people who try mightily to address the mass shootings without placing any accountability for them on the massive numbers of, and ease of accessibility to guns...
...Are behaving exactly like people who tried for so many years to exclude cigarette smoking from any conversations about lung cancer.
It’s a ridiculous, destructive exercise.

So if these people were killed "with knives and baseball bats" instead of "with guns" would they still be alive?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 3 Sep, 2019 10:43 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Well, I'm interested in what you have to say. It seems your deferment to me is only to delay and acquiesce non-action.

Please answer to the best of your ability.


I feel they have already done enough. The things people do are criminals acts. It's already against the law. Making new laws obviously is only going to make criminals of the law abiding.

That is why I am interested to know what you would suggest. Am I to become an outlaw because I own guns? I have taught gun safety to hundreds of Boy Scouts. I have never used a gun for any purpose that it was not designed for. I am a responsible gun owner and I will not stand by and watch my rights eroded because someone else decides to be a criminal.

Imagine the Westboro Baptist churches actions were used as representative actions of all Christians. So much so that people decried their actions and wanted Christianity banned... would that be ok?

Imagine Trump deciding what CNN did reached criminal status and decided to arrest everyone associated with CNN and anyone who reported on it. Would that be ok?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 3 Sep, 2019 10:44 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

exactly. Moscow Mitch is a perfect example of his parties valuation of human life. They only value it when it can be used as propaganda that only PANDERS . They really care not about our life and liberties. To them, truth is a lie and lies are truth


**** dude. Warn me when I have to get the waders out to wade through your bullshit.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 12:13 am
@McGentrix,
Odd, I walked on it in my bedroom slippers and dident got a bit of liquid on me.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 12:47 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I am a responsible gun owner and I will not stand by and watch my rights eroded because someone else decides to be a criminal.

Laws aren't usually meant to restrict the freedom of responsible people, but to protect them from irresponsible people. I can drive at 100 miles per hour on a highway very safely so, because I'm a good driver. However, the law restricts my speed to 80 m/h because it is not made for good drivers but for bad ones.

If every gun owner was a responsible law abiding perdon, there wouldn't be any mass shooting in the US. The only way out is to protect the public from irresponsible gun owners.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 01:03 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I remember seeing a set of scales that could weigh a gnat's whisker on Blue Peter when I was a kid, but that's probably not sensitive enough.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 01:31 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Laws aren't usually meant to restrict the freedom of responsible people, but to protect them from irresponsible people.

Here's the thing. People who try to outlaw pistol grips on rifles are not trying to protect anyone.

The sole purpose of doing that is the joy that these progressives get from violating people's civil liberties.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 02:15 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:
hey, it's a start...

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales
and asks customers not to carry guns into stores

Kroger follows suit

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/03/kroger-joins-walmart-asks-shoppers-not-to-openly-carry-guns-in-stores.html
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 02:22 am
@Region Philbis,
The fewer people in their stores who can confront a gunman with return fire, the more people that a crazed gunman will be able to kill if they target their one of their stores.

But if sheep want to be defenseless, that's not my problem I guess.

Sheep shouldn't come to me looking for sympathy after a massacre though. I won't have any to give them.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 05:34 am
@oralloy,
Gun rights advocates enjoy violating people's civil rights for fun.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 05:51 am
@oralloy,
The are any number of alternative ways to kill people, and year after year people aren't killed with them but are killed with guns.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 06:14 am
@MontereyJack,
What difference does it make that they were killed "with guns" instead of "with some other weapon"?

Would they still be alive if they were killed with some other weapon?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 06:15 am
@MontereyJack,
"Preventing progressives from violating people's civil liberties" does not violate anyone's civil rights.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 07:27 am
Quote:
Texas shooter evaded background check by purchasing weapon in private sale

The 36-year-old gunman who killed seven people and wounded 22 others in West Texas on Saturday purchased his AR-style rifle from a private seller, federal law enforcement sources confirmed to CBS News. The purchase allowed the gunman to evade a federal background check. Sources also say the gunman was previously denied a gun purchase because he was determined to be mentally unfit.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-shooter-purchased-assault-style-weapon-in-private-sale-evaded-background-check-2019-09-03/

The label "assault style weapon" should end the semantic debate over the gun label.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:03 am
@oralloy,
They weren't killed with some other weapon. They were killed with a gun. That is the point you seem unable to process. Year after year, they're killed with guns.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:10 am
@oralloy,
Off-duty cop shopping at walmarts, just stopped a shooter after he was ony able to wound one person, Chicago area. Hey, good work, oralloy, your team seems to have added waolmart as the latest go-to spot for mass murder. just another spot for gunrights folks to practice their craft. If he's got a gun and he's shooting it, he clearly is for gun rights, right? Just like you.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:17 am
Oralloy and others on here have their fingers on the trigger each time a mass shooting occurs.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:39 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
I feel they have already done enough. The things people do are criminals acts. It's already against the law. Making new laws obviously is only going to make criminals of the law abiding.

That is why I am interested to know what you would suggest. Am I to become an outlaw because I own guns? I have taught gun safety to hundreds of Boy Scouts. I have never used a gun for any purpose that it was not designed for. I am a responsible gun owner and I will not stand by and watch my rights eroded because someone else decides to be a criminal.

Imagine the Westboro Baptist churches actions were used as representative actions of all Christians. So much so that people decried their actions and wanted Christianity banned... would that be ok?

Imagine Trump deciding what CNN did reached criminal status and decided to arrest everyone associated with CNN and anyone who reported on it. Would that be ok?


It is my understanding the only thing the NRA has done is to oppose any and all measures responding to gun control. It's not that they've done enough, it's that they've done nothing at all to help curb senseless violence through guns. To me, that's not only irresponsible, it's a liability.

I disagree with your statement that your rights will erode since someone else decides to be a criminal. The examples you give don't even come close to what's on the table right now. It did kinda make me chuckle when you put Christianity as a model but don't concede that's exactly what's happening to Muslims right now, with the onslaught of commentary of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

Another discussion about "fake news" and journalism really doesn't belong in this thread so, again, your example is not appropriate.

There are certain laws already in place that have so many loopholes it renders the law inefficient and futile. Background checks are a focal point, such as, why isn't every gun sold under every circumstance included? Why are there different waiting periods in different states? Age requirements?

Would it interest you in knowing that even though certain states require someone to be 21 to purchase a gun, the seller only has to be 18 and pass an online safety course test consisting of 25 questions? Or that there's no requirement for sellers to be knowledgeable in the type of weapon they're selling?

You have to carry car insurance but there's no law that requires gun insurance. It's only covered in a miscellaneous personal property amount, and don't even have to prove ownership if a home invasion happens and weapons were stolen.

So when you talk about no new laws would be effective and your rights will be eroded, I highly disagree with that.

farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 08:43 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
**** dude. Warn me when I have to get the waders out to wade through your bullshit
Well, I gott say that Oralloy and his insistance that he knows of what he speaks had me totally pissed off, so Ill take back the "Moscow Mitch" sobriquet
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2019 09:15 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
The fact that the same person who stocks mac-n-chz and underwear is the same person who sells guns should be a problem for you.

That isn't how it works, but I think you know that. People work in specific depts, you don't work the food dept and the clothing dept and the sporting goods dept and the toys dept. Unless things have changed since the mid 90's when I worked there, and according to a recent article about a lady trying to buy a gun in Walmart, only specific people are authorized to sell the guns, and they go through extensive training, much more extensive then I had when I worked the sporting good dept and sold guns to people.

 

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