Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

Scalia had several different reactions at different times in different places. One of them definitely was limit it to flintlocks.
The fact of the matter is, your specious fixation of phony civil liberties has resulted in what amounts to availability at will for deadly armaments in any quantity for pretty much everybody which in fact means that the Virginia beach shooter legally bought two semi-auto handguns and then exercised his civil liberties by murdering a dozen people.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Scalia had several different reactions at different times in different places. One of them definitely was limit it to flintlocks.

I doubt that Scalia ever argued for limiting civil liberties to archaic technology.

Such a silly idea would have allowed Obama (or Trump) to censor all political speech on the internet. And the police would be free to search everyone's phones and computers whenever they wanted without needing probable cause or a search warrant.

At any rate, Scalia certainly didn't say anything like that in the Heller ruling.

MontereyJack wrote:

The fact of the matter is, your specious fixation of phony civil liberties

The fact that leftists are out to abolish civil liberties is exactly why we need Trump in office to protect us from leftists.

MontereyJack wrote:

has resulted in what amounts to availability at will for deadly armaments in any quantity for pretty much everybody which in fact means that the Virginia beach shooter legally bought two semi-auto handguns and then exercised his civil liberties by murdering a dozen people.

Murder is hardly an exercise of civil liberties.

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@oralloy,

And yet you think anybody who wants a gun should have one even if their bug duck crazy.

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@RABEL222,

Not necessarily. But people do have due process rights that have to be respected.

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An armed officer who stood outside a Florida school as a gunman killed 17 people has been arrested and faces multiple charges, including child neglect and perjury.

Scot Peterson, a security guard at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, did not enter as shots rang out last year and later resigned.

US President Donald Trump called him a "coward" for not acting.

Mr Peterson said he did not know where the gunfire was coming from.

Seventeen students were killed in the massacre in Parkland on Valentine's Day in 2018.

Nikolas Cruz, 19, a former student at the school, has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder. Police have said he admitted the shooting.

Soon afterwards, authorities released footage showing Mr Peterson waiting outside the school as the shooting was taking place.

Following an investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), Mr Peterson was arrested on Tuesday on seven counts of neglect of a child, three counts of culpable negligence and one count of perjury.

The investigation showed Mr Peterson "did absolutely nothing" to prevent the shooting, FDLE Commissioner Rick Swearingen said in a statement.

"There can be no excuse for his complete inaction and no question that his inaction cost lives," he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48521988

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@izzythepush,

It's worse than even that.

I'm not sure if waiting for backup is the best judgment call when kids are being slaughtered, but someone can at least make an argument for waiting for backup.

In this case however, the cops didn't go in even after backup had arrived:

CNN wrote:

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

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@oralloy,

Of course there were measures that could have been taken so that Cruz didn't have a gun in the first place, but no, the second amendment zealot death- lovers like oralloy say, that would have violated his civil liberties. Thanks, o, for your zealous defense of our civil liberties. Not.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Of course there were measures that could have been taken so that Cruz didn't have a gun in the first place,

What measures?

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@McGentrix,

If you weren't such a liar you would admit that you know what measures could have been taken. They have been discussed over and over again on this foram.

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@RABEL222,

McG didn't lie, he asked you an honest question. The fact that you chose to attack instead of answer shows you don't care about the discussion, you only care about attacking. You are a very weak minded person.

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@Baldimo,

rabel is right. Over and over and over and the gun loonies stonewall and stonewall and stonewall
over and over.

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@MontereyJack,

You mean they won't rescind the 2nd Amendment?

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@MontereyJack,

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Of course there were measures that could have been taken

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Serial Failure: Here's How Government Totally Dropped The Ball In Stopping Florida Shooter

Put the blame where it belongs. And it is not the guns fault.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/23/serial-failure-heres-how-government-totally-dropped-the-ball-in-stopping-florid-n2453448

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@coldjoint,

all this shows is how armed "good guys" dont add one squatall of protection against armed" bad guys". Guns still are in the center of it.
Can you follow the bouncing ball?

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@Baldimo,

The way you guys acquire "hand" in this debate subject is by demonizing the other side rather than trying to understand and work together. Nobody wants the rescission of the 2nd Amendment nor do we "Hate merica". You guys just head for the uprelatives and extremes of positions without benefit of logical thinking.

Where does the Constitution state that "The right to acquire and hoard over 200 guns a month fro non dealers shall not be infringed" ?? Or that "Bump stocks and high cap clips for semi's shall neither be infringed""
OOOOOHHHHHH , the USSC said it? and therefore thats the PRESENT definition of the 2nd Amendment eh??

You want bump stocks legal ???
Remember what Scalia said from the bench in Heller, his last gun law opinion.

If there's a reason to ban such extremis crap, the USSC has already voted on it and opined upon it. Everything else is just standing and unvoting those congresspersons and senators who are mostly owned by the NRA and the Kochs.

Ive reflected many times that gun control will come , but it will be generationaly. When it comes, the backup on the opinion will result in a 2nd Amendment that may be eviscerated nd our gun "Rights" will become like Switzerland

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@Baldimo,

That's one possibility that some ex-justices have mentiouned. Or they could ewcosnize that Heller is the Plessy of the 21st century and retry it. Ot they could realize that the 2nd is actually about militias and we don't need anything like a n 18th century militia and just let the common law handle it or they could register guns so we know who has deadly instruments or they cold require gun safes with retina scan locks so kids cant gwet at them and trigger locks. An idea that occurred to me is to treat em like cars. Guns are inherently dangerous, so require insurance payable at point of purchase. A million people will die over gun violence over your lifetime, so say six million dollars per policy coverage per incident for severl incidents for eighty years coverage payable in advance at purchase. That oughta cover it. The possibilities are endless.

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@coldjoint,

Not the guns fault? Are you suggesting Cruz could have used marshmallows instead??

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@MontereyJack,

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Not the guns fault? Are you suggesting Cruz could have used marshmallows instead??

No, I am saying the government ignored the kid when they knew he needed help. The progressive policies actually reward bad behavior.

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@MontereyJack,

cars and guns dont equate. Driving is a privilege, gun ownership i a right. My argument has always been about rationality in how we define "Shall not be infringed"

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@MontereyJack,

And, I might add, you HAVE to get car insurance no matter how loudly you protest you are a safe driver and always obey the speed limit and never ever would be in an accident. AAnd cars are not built to be intentionally deadly.

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