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Bang Bang! Italy Loosens Gun Control Law
Italics Magazine, 16/09/2018

Correction: the Decree Law introduces and does not amplify the category of sport shooters authorized to purchase category A6 and A7 weapons.

The Americanization of Italy?

From 14 September, in Italy it became easier to buy a gun due to a decree law interpreting in a less restrictive way the legislation about gun ownership.
Among other things, the new licence owner can directly communicate to the Carabinieri or Police departments its grant just by certified e-mail, has no longer obligation to notify the family or the cohabitees and, in explicit cases, can now purchase military like weapons such as the dimilitarized Ak-47 kalashnikov or the semiautomatic rifle Ar15.

The major changes contain:

* Increase from 6 to 12 sporting guns legally held.
* Increase from 5 to 10 (long firearms) and from 15 to 20 (short firearms) bullets in the clip.
* Reduction in the duration of the weapons licence for hunting or sport use from 6 to 5 years.
* The reporting of the licence directly to the Carabinieri or Police departments just by certified e-mail.
* No legal obligation to inform the cohabitees.
* Introduction of the category of sport shooters authorized to purchase A6 and A7 category weapons.

The decree law was fiercely advocated on the Interior minster and deputy premier Matteo Salvini who, this summer, had publicy signed a document supporting the Italian gun lobby. The pact agreed during the Hit Show fair in Vicenza contains his public commitment to the protection of weapon-holders, namely the inclusion of the lobby in the discussion of every measure concerning them directly.

By approving the decree law, the government implemented a European directive, interpreting it in the most extensive way, as it even modified the 2015 antiterrorism law, which prohibited hunting with semiautomatic weapons.

The legislation about gun ownership is historically considered restrictive in Italy, as getting the licence is not a fundamental right and needs some strict requirements. To be elegible, the minimum age is 18 and you have to obtain a certificate proving that you can safely use the gun. Moreover, you must have a clear record and must not suffer from meantal health or drug addition. Once the licence has been issued, it has to be legally reported within three days.

Wet dreams about guns

The use of guns is a hot topic in Italy, due to the increased sense of insecurity widespread among the population. For this reason, the yellow-green government has immediately tried to bring about more gun use in Italy for reasons of domestic consensus. It is estimated that in the country approximately 5 percent of the population owns about 10 million weapons, being the second G8 country in terms of murder rate with guns after the United States.

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about damned time. you guys have closed your eye to the massive violations of people's civil rights gun owners criminally create every year and we're sick of your blindness to the genocide out of control gun nuts are causing. Which is why the House flipped. Since you refuse to do anything about the carnage, the majority of the country is getting ready to do it.

"The Americanization of Italy?"

The cancer is spreading...

There would be no increase in people wanting to become mass murderers

The worst that would happen is an increase in lethality in attacks that would have taken place anyway

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There would be no increase in people wanting to become mass murderers

I never suggested there would be. But I would say the number of mass murderers would diminish, because it would not be so easy to commit mass murder anymore.

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The worst that would happen is an increase in lethality in attacks that would have taken place anyway

Uh huh. Knife wielder trying to commit mass murder Vs grenade launcher equipped trying to commit mass murder. I know which one I'd rather have running around on the loose.

Sometimes you live in fairyland.

Knife wielder trying to commit mass murder Vs grenade launcher equipped trying to commit mass murder.

Ok, so let me get this straight. When you read a news article about a knife wielder cutting loose on a German bus and only killing and injuring a few passengers, you feel better about that act of terrorism because it didn't involve the perpetrator shooting a gun and killing even more people?

Has there been a rash of mass murders committed lately involving grenades?

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Ok, so let me get this straight. When you read a news article about a knife wielder cutting loose on a German bus and only killing and injuring a few passengers, you feel better about that act of terrorism because it didn't involve the perpetrator shooting a gun and killing even more people?

That's quite a sick accusation. Stop seeing things that aren't there, just because you want to find them:
- No murder is good
- More people living, able to go home to their families, because a mass murderer wannabe couldn't kill as many as he could with a knife as he could with a grenade launcher equipped assault rifle (or quite frankly, even just an assault rifle or similar), is also a good outcome compared to the alternative - much better than it would be if people were allowed grenade launchers

If you want to see just how hard it is to try and commit mass murder with a knife - have a look at the video feeds of the terrorist who tried such in Melbourne Australia 2 days ago. Had he an assault rifle, the result would have been much, much worse.

I think it's better to focus on alleviating the problems that lead people to violence instead of

What bothers me most about all this anti-gun propaganda is that motor-vehicles cause many more deaths and injuries than guns, yet no one pushes to outlaw those.

- anti-gun propaganda should in the vast majority of cases, correctly be called gun-control propaganda. Anti-gun is very misleading.

- motor vehicles are a necessity to economies. Without them many peoples daily lives become impossible. They can't be done away with. The government has however done everything it can to make them as safe as possible, and keeps working on improving such. The totality of the same arguments don't exist for firearms in the US. So as a comparison, it's also very self-serving.

anti-gun propaganda should in the vast majority of cases, correctly be called gun-control propaganda. Anti-gun is very misleading.

It doesn't matter.

Has there been a rash of mass murders committed lately involving grenades?

vikorr wrote:

anti-gun propaganda should in the vast majority of cases, correctly be called gun-control propaganda. Anti-gun is very misleading.

livinglava wrote:

It doesn't matter.

And here I thought, as a Christian, honesty was something you valued. I pretty sure Satan was the one attributed with loving to mislead and deceive.

Most people who preach gun-control are anti-gun.

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Most people who preach gun-control are anti-gun.

Not that I've seen. But perhaps it differs between the US and Australia. These days there are more guns in Australia than when we introduced tighter gun control. That doesn't speak at all of being anti-gun.

So quite frankly, I'm incredibly dubious that, as a whole, US people who are in favour of gun control, view it much differently than those in Australia.

Have you got anything to back up your justification, or is it just made up?