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Guns: how much longer will it take ....

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 02:39 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:


Don´t blame the outcome of Hitler´s dictator ship on the Jews not doing more resistance.


I didn't say that and you need to learn how to read.

I said "they could have changed history."

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
All it takes for good men to live and fight another day is to stand up against evil today.


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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 05:07 pm
@saab,
saab wrote:
Read history and you will find out. You seem to have a great lack of knowledge about that subject


Many other subjects too, saab.
I have never read a more distorted view of history than the one from gunga
and H2O. In fact, they're quite ignorant outside of their little gun collection.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 05:49 pm
@CalamityJane,



Laughing CJ an snob are obviously products of government indoctrination centers (public schools)
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 05:52 pm
@CalamityJane,
CalamityJane wrote:

saab wrote:
Read history and you will find out. You seem to have a great lack of knowledge about that subject


Many other subjects too, saab.
I have never read a more distorted view of history than the one from gunga
and H2O. In fact, they're quite ignorant outside of their little gun collection.



Pretty ignorant within it, too, I'd have thought.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 05:57 pm


Yes, left wing loons are ignorant about just about everything.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 06:11 pm
@hamburger,
Well my mother is still driving and have a perfect driving record all her long life.

Perhaps when I am ready for a nursing home but short of that great of a decline I can not see myself lossing safety habits that had been drill into my nerve system for many decades.

There are one hell of a lot of objects that surround us in everyday life that can be harmful by the way.

What to bet that far more children are harm or kill by swimming pools or households chemicals then by household guns?

I had not check but I off hand would bet that anyone who care to check the figures will find that is true.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 06:14 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:




Laughing CJ an snob are obviously products of government indoctrination centers (public schools)


I have no idea what that means, it's not even proper English. I'm foreign
born and educated if that's what you're getting at.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 06:22 pm
@CalamityJane,


OK, but what's your excuse for being totally wrong on this particular subject?
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 06:52 pm
@H2O MAN,
On the contrary, people like you have given me all the more reason to
be a proponent for gun control. You and your kind are a danger to society at large.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 06:55 pm
@CalamityJane,


Ignorant and delusional... you are a mess!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 07:47 pm
@djjd62,
"djjd62" WROTE:
Quote:
what's it gonna take to get through your thick ******* head that i'm not a liberal,
as far as i'm concerned all politicians are assholes,
it's just more fun to dick around with the conservatives,
they tend to have no sense of humour and an over inflated sense
of "god bless america" and "these colours don't run" and all that happy crappy
" i'm a yankee doodle dandy" bullshit than liberals,
i'm a **** disturber pure and simple

EVERYONE:
This man announces himself
as INTENTIONALLY not being worthy of being taken seriously,
that he wishes to act like a FOOL, to annoy us
on ALL sides of the political spectrum.

I have had relatively little trouble with him, but
in this post, he reveals that he has no respect
for any of us on this forum,
tho he prefers to annoy conservatives.

He defines himself into an IGNORE situation.
He takes pride and delight in showing himself to be a malicious,
pernicious exhibitionist who takes pleasure from
irritating ALL of the rest of us,
with special antagonism against conservatives.
I 'm putting him on Ignore, forthwith.

I respectfully suggest that all of us on this board
consider whether thay 'd be better off by doing the same,
because he chooses only to be an IRRITANT,
at our expense and he does not intend to be taken seriously.





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saab
 
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Reply Mon 6 Apr, 2009 11:09 pm
@CalamityJane,
Just like I - foreign born and educated. To say the Jews could have changed history is as low as you can fall. The old Nazis also blamed everything on the Jews. What a anti semitic attitude to life.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 01:40 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

Just like I - foreign born and educated.
To say the Jews could have changed history is as low as you can fall.
The old Nazis also blamed everything on the Jews.
What a anti semitic attitude to life.

If I am not mistaken,
I began this line of thought on this thread,
with my remark that:
"Its too bad that the Jews did not have more guns."
I ratify and re-iterate what I said.

I wish that the Jews had succeeded in defeating the nazis
before thay fully rose to power. There is no element of blame
in this. I believe that any consideration of "blame" is ill-founded
and criticism on this basis on this thread was not justified.

I acknowledge that Mr. Saab may well be correct
that the Jews coud not have defeated the nazis with 1,702 guns.

In retrospect, I wish that thay had been better armed in their own defense.
I prefer that history had been different, in that respect,
so that the Jews did not suffer under the Germans.
This has nothing to do with blame.
I do not allege that the Jews had a duty to be armed
(tho I have been reliably informed that ancient Jewish scripture
defines it as a sin for a Jew to fail to defend his life if attacked).


I am not anti-Jewish, having had Jewish girlfriends,
some of whom lived with me for several years, in addition to my having hired a Jewish friend
(the 2nd brightest fellow I ever met in Mensa) into my law firm,
and subsequently inviting him into partnership in my firm.

I note, incidentally, that the early Christians considered themselves to be Jews.
One thing that did NOT happen, judging from the Bible, is that
Jesus never said to his followers: "hay guys, u know the Jews gave me a hard time,
so let 's not be Jews anymore" the same way that Barry Goldwater did not exhort his followers:
"hay, u know the Americans did not elect me President, so let 's not be Americans anymore."

The moral of the story is:
this is not a matter of BLAME.
It is a matter of history possibly turning out better
under other circumstances.





David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 01:41 am
@saab,


To say the Jews could not change history demeans all Jews.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 07:20 am
@CalamityJane,
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html

Quote:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.


Quote:
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)

* Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
* All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
* Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
* Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
* The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
* Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

A Gun Control Law Passed by the German Government One Day After Kristallnacht



http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MediaPages/ArticleDetail.aspx?mediaid=162

Quote:

Understandably, after WWI, The Treaty of Versailles forced Germany to remove or render useless any arms, munitions, and war materials. Apart from the earlier laws in 1919, and 1920, German gun laws were not actually directed at the rank-and-file German. Instead, they were aimed at persons labeled "undesirables" such as Communists, Gypsies, and Jews. These groups were not legally German citizens as citizenship was refused based on ethnic factor.

When the Nazis came to power in 1933, mass roundups were primarily directed at the Communists. Gun registration lists were reviewed to see who on the list were in possession of firearms. These were considered the most dangerous persons to the new leadership and were thus scheduled for pickup and detention in the camps. The noted persecution and roundup of the Jews did not begin in earnest until 1938.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 08:11 am
@gungasnake,



gungasnake, you know you can't use facts and logic here... you have to express
your emotions and share your feelings. Liberals can't deal with facts and logic.



Excellent post!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 08:43 am
I'll say it again, part of the 2'nd amendment is about food in bad economic times (like we're about to see with Bork Oinkbama in charge...) Six months from now the idea of having a deer and two Canada geese to eat (that three-barreled Krieghoff gun) could easily sound pretty good even to liberals.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 09:09 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

I'll say it again, part of the 2'nd amendment is about food in bad economic times (like we're about to see with Bork Oinkbama in charge...) Six months from now the idea of having a deer and two Canada geese to eat (that three-barreled Krieghoff gun) could easily sound pretty good even to liberals.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment
is simply to remind everyone that government has no jurisdiction
to legislate in this area because it is an area of personal freedom.
(That is not to imply that government ever had any such authority.)

The power of government and personal freedom are inversely proportional.

In PLANNED PARENTHOOD v. CASEY (1992) 112 S.Ct. 2791 (P. 28O5)
the US Supreme Court declares that:
"...by the express provisions of the FIRST EIGHT amendments to the Constitution"
rights were "guaranteed to THE INDIVIDUAL ... It is a promise of the Constitution
that there is a realm of personal liberty
which the government may not enter
."
[emphasis added by David]

The 2nd Amendment is within "the first eight amendments".





David
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 09:53 am



Very Happy You guys are driving liberals crazy with these logical facts!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 7 Apr, 2009 09:54 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

I'll say it again, part of the 2'nd amendment is about food in bad economic times (like we're about to see with Bork Oinkbama in charge...) Six months from now the idea of having a deer and two Canada geese to eat (that three-barreled Krieghoff gun) could easily sound pretty good even to liberals.


I don't disagree with this one bit, and that's the primary reason I support the ownership of long rifles and shotguns by all Americans.

Cycloptichorn
 

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