Guns: how much longer will it take ....

@oralloy,

Purity of intent gives people a certain grace, a capacity to succeed where everybody else has failed, an aura of invincibility if you wish. I believe something like that is happening to Hogg; he's got a 'Joan of Arc' spell on him. It's a double-edged sword of course. Joan was captured in the siege of Paris because she was too impatient, too sure of herself. These characters also tend to attract more hatred than average folks.

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@Olivier5,

Nah. He has no capacity to succeed.

If this generation spends all of their potential struggling against the indomitable might of the NRA, all that means is that this generation will never achieve anything.

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@oralloy,

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How are the more recent figures?

http://able2know.org/topic/453871-1

The more recent figures show, according to the article in the link you posted:

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While London remains substantially the safer city overall, with less than half the homicides of New York last year,

And New York's figures keep dropping, due to increasingly well enforced gun laws both in the city, the state, and surrounding states. That's why New York City now has a murder rate below that of the US as a whole-it is a matrix of effective gun laws and vigorous enforcement.

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@Blickers,

Yet, the Mayor of London is calling for a ban on the carrying of knifes, just as the city is seeing it's highest murder rate. So people are being stabbed and he want's citizens to not carry a knife. I wonder how many people were not killed because they were carrying a knife... What is it with you lefties and your wanting to disarm everyone, when the only people who will listen will be law biding citizens who are now defenseless against those who won't care what the law is.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

And New York's figures keep dropping, due to increasingly well enforced gun laws both in the city, the state, and surrounding states. That's why New York City now has a murder rate below that of the US as a whole-it is a matrix of effective gun laws and vigorous enforcement.

That is highly unlikely given the very weak correlation between gun availability and homicide rates.

But even if it had been true, the civil rights violations still wouldn't be worth it.

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@Baldimo,

After all is said and done, the UK doesn't allow handguns or AR-15 type weapons to the citizenry and they have a murder rate one quarter that of the US. That's for guns, knives, shillelaghs, everything. One quarter the rate.

New York City's murder rate keeps dropping because of a unique situation of tough, well-enforced gun laws in the city, surrounded by a state with tough, well enforced gun laws which are themselves surrounded by neighboring states with the same types of tough laws and enforcement. Consequently, New York City, once a national joke for shootings and murder, now has a murder rate beneath that of the US as a whole.

So for one month, London has a higher number of murders than New York City, and here you are making snarky remarks like you've won some sort of victory. You haven't won anything. After London being well under New York in murders for many years, let's give them a couple of years to see how they handle this spike. One month does not undo decades of London being well ahead of New York in this department, especially when you take into account New York's constantly dropping murder rate for the past couple of decades.

Simple common sense tells you that as New York's murder rate keeps dropping due to strict gun laws and enforcement both citywide and regionally, eventually it will hit the point that it drops below London't rate occasionally. You realize that, correct?

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Simple common sense tells you that as New York's murder rate keeps dropping due to strict gun laws and enforcement both citywide and regionally, eventually it will hit the point that it drops below London't rate occasionally. You realize that, correct?

Actual facts show that their violations of the Second Amendment have nothing to do with it.

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@Blickers,

Yet, after all of that, the Mayor of London is still calling for a ban on the carrying of knifes. One month of bad #'s and they move for a ban...

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@oralloy,

What "facts" are those? The FACT is that NY's acts are perfectly legal. Your absolutist OPINION of the 2nd is not.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

What "facts" are those?

The very weak correlation between gun availability and homicide rates.

MontereyJack wrote:

The FACT is that NY's acts are perfectly legal. Your absolutist OPINION of the 2nd is not.

Wrong. Laws are only allowed to restrict a right if that restriction can be justified with a good reason.

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@oralloy,

He's taken out two FAUX / Sinclair pundits already, effortlessly. This guy is growing into a serious problem for the gun nuts, I tell you. They can't ignore him.

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@Baldimo,

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Yet, after all of that, the Mayor of London is still calling for a ban on the carrying of knifes. One month of bad #'s and they move for a ban...

So? It's their city and their country. They have a rising murder rate in London and they are trying ways to curtail it, which is their right. I know for a fact that in the US, you can't walk into a courtroom with even a small pen knife, as I found out one day when reporting for jury duty.

If you can prohibit pen knives in US courtrooms, London is entitled to outlaw knives in their own city.

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@Blickers,

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So? It's their city and their country. They have a rising murder rate in London and they are trying ways to curtail it, which is their right.

They can do as they wish, as you said it is their country. This is the very "slippery slope" argument that pro 2A people have been making. When guns are no longer the issue, they will just ban the next item that tops the list, which is now knifes for carry. They are using the same argument as well, "no one needs to carry such and such..."

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

He's taken out two FAUX / Sinclair pundits already, effortlessly.

People who I've never even heard of.

As I understand it (I'm really not following this too closely) these people said things that were particularly rude about him.

If they had merely said something along the lines of "this guy is wrong, and here are the real facts" I doubt he could have persuaded any advertisers to flee.

Olivier5 wrote:

This guy is growing into a serious problem for the gun nuts, I tell you.

I perceive no problem.

Olivier5 wrote:

They can't ignore him.

The only time I bother to think about him is when someone else on a2k posts about him and I read that post.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The only time I bother to think about him is when someone else on a2k posts about him and I read that post.

Same here.

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@Baldimo,

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This is the very "slippery slope" argument that pro 2A people have been making. When guns are no longer the issue, they will just ban the next item that tops the list, which is now knifes for carry.

Well, no, it's not a case of just banning the next one on the list. There has been a recent spike in the number of knife murders. Without that spike, there would be no call for banning knives for carry.

This is London, which is a very crowded place. It's not like the city residents have to hack their way through heavy brush with machetes to get to the grocery store.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Well, no, it's not a case of just banning the next one on the list. There has been a recent spike in the number of knife murders. Without that spike, there would be no call for banning knives for carry.

Yes, but as murderers switch from one tool to the next, all they are going to do is keep banning more and more tools.

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@Blickers,

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Well, no, it's not a case of just banning the next one on the list. There has been a recent spike in the number of knife murders. Without that spike, there would be no call for banning knives for carry.

That's exactly what they did though. The pattern will continue because people such as yourself and the mayor of London fail to understand that the item used isn't at fault for the murder, it is the person who has enough hate in their heart to kill someone.

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This is London, which is a very crowded place. It's not like the city residents have to hack their way through heavy brush with machetes to get to the grocery store.

This is the same type of bs bloated rhetoric that is used with gun control. We are talking about basic pocket knifes being banned and you wanna mention machetes and jungles. Here in the states you can have a pocket knife with you and the only regulation is on blade length. Most states it's about the width of the average males hand, meaning you can't walk around with a machete on your hip.

Gun control example that some here have used:
Me: I think I should be able to have an AR-15.
Anti-Gun people: What do you need an RPG for, do you think you are going to fight tanks in the streets.

That is what you just did with the banning of knifes discussion and do with the gun control argument.

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@Baldimo,

I have no ides (actually, I've got one) why you fix on the mayor of London: he doesn't make laws, they are made by the Parliament:
Prevention of Crime Act 1953;
Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959 (prohibits the importation, sale, hire, lending, or gift of certain types of knives) - Sadiq Aman Khan is born 8 October 1970;
the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (carrying knives in public places);
the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (knives within school premises);
Knives Act 1997.

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@Baldimo,

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That's exactly what they did though. The pattern will continue...

But when you say that if they can ban guns, they will just go down the list of possible weapons, you imply that it would be for no good reason.
That's not the case here. This whole discussion is about a spike in knife murders in London, and that is why they are considering outlawing knives for carrying on the street.

You make it sound like everything is fine in London, no increases in knife murder to be concerned about, it's just some London lawmakers who decide to ban knives on the street for no good reason. When you know quite well the proposed ban is in response to a rise in London in knife murders.

Tell me, if a community is noticing a sudden increase in murder of their citizens by means of knife, do they have the right to try to correct the problem by outlawing knives on the street? Or does that somehow offend you?

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