Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 12:10 pm
Ducky . . . you shameless bubble burster . . .
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JTT
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 12:42 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
Supplying you with an answer (and what, for the love of god, makes you think anyone here can answer this) would be tantamount to acknowledging that there were a fault committed. Why should anyone assume that there were something wrong with him not having attended?


Moved to:

http://able2know.org/topic/128661-1
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 12:59 pm
@FreeDuck,
Wow, Duck...that was one of the finest ass kickings I've ever witnessed.

I am sure you kicked Baldimo's ass hard enough for his nose to bleed!
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 02:10 pm
I appreciate the kudos, but it belongs to factcheck.org. All I did was copy and paste.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 02:21 pm
@FreeDuck,
Quote:
I appreciate the kudos, but it belongs to factcheck.org. All I did was copy and past


And you've really got to stop doing that, FreeDuck! Introducing facts is just so, so, well, it's unfair.
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George
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 02:27 pm
DUDGEON LEVEL: HIGH
candidone1
 
  4  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 02:38 pm
I think if Obama really did hate the military, as Baldimo seems to contend, he'd send more of them into harms way, with literally no plan, no timeline for withdrawl, and no objective criteria for what constituted success on their mission.
He'd likely continue sending them in to harms way, irrespective of any judgments or decisions made by military superiors on the ground.
He'd also likely send them in ill equipped and illprepared to fight a Vietnam style conflict whilst ignoring the blunders that were made in Vietnam.
He might also cut funding for veterans once they returned from his little project.
No, instead, as Set mentioned, you are making a mountain out of this molehill because he broke from a tradition that you value. As FD has noted, those in attendance understood and didn't feel snubbed.

DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 03:02 pm
@George,
We've found our new Dudgeon Master!
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Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 04:08 pm
@candidone1,
Quote:
I think if Obama really did hate the military, as Baldimo seems to contend, he'd send more of them into harms way, with literally no plan, no timeline for withdrawl, and no objective criteria for what constituted success on their mission.


Yeah . . . oh, no . . . wait . . . Bush already did that . . .
candidone1
 
  2  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 06:02 pm
@Setanta,
Yeah, but let's not get all facty here Set. Facts can really f*ck up a good argument, even if the argument was no good to begin with.

Obama wants the heroes Baldimo defends out of the mess in Iraq that keeps killing them by the thousands. But let's set that aside for a minute for a f*cking ball. Let's set that aside for a minute for a tradition Baldimo holds dear. Let's ignore the real facts, like all that Bush did during his tenure which exemplified a disdain for the brave men and women who served for the United States military. Inadequate funding on the ground, inadequate supplies, inadequate intelligence, inadequate planning, cuts in funding for veterans, extended and multiple tours, and absolutely no plan to bring them home safely.

No, let's talk about a f*cking ball that Obama didn't attend because he's planning on bringing home the ones who still have their arms, legs, minds and families, and figuring out a way to take America out of Bush's mess.

Baldimo and his ilk are in for one hell of a bumpy ride if this is one of the hills they choose to die on.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 07:58 pm
@candidone1,
Quote:
Inadequate funding on the ground, inadequate supplies, inadequate intelligence, inadequate planning, cuts in funding for veterans, ...


Not to mention making them war criminals.
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parados
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 08:43 pm
@Setanta,
I think the real question is why has no President until now had a commanders in chief ball where military members were invited for free? Why did Bush hate the military?
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Butrflynet
 
  2  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 08:48 pm
@Baldimo,
There is an update on Factcheck.org that answers your question:

Quote:
We have asked the White House for comment on this matter, and will update this article should we receive a response.

Update: Shortly after we posted this story, we heard from Josh Earnest of the Presidential Inaugural Committee. He told us that the president only attended the ten official balls organized by the PIC. (The Salute to Heroes is organized by the American Legion and is unofficial.) But, Earnest told us, "in order to show due respect to the Medal of Honor winners, they were special guests at the Commander in Chief's ball," which the president attended early in the evening. Earnest didn't know how many Medal of Honor winners accepted the invitation to the Commander in Chief's ball, which is primarily targeted to military personnel, but added that the PIC also subsidized hotel rooms and provided ground transportation for the winners while they were in DC. We've updated our answer summary accordingly.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_snub_medal_of_honor_winners.html
parados
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 09:04 pm
@Butrflynet,
Damn that Obama.. He hates the Medal of Honor winners so much he put them in hotel rooms.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 09:14 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Question though. Have you ever been in the military?


How do you recognize an egg if you've never been a chicken?
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Mr Stillwater
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2009 11:24 pm
We'll do it the way we have to at the Sheltered Workshop, for the slow ones.

1. George W Bush evades the draft with a slot in the Alabama Air Guard. All 'W' has to do is show up regularly to stay in combat readiness if he was called to active duty 'in the event of a national emergency'. Do you notice that - national emergency? Not to serve in 'Nam. Considering that the North Vietnamese Airforce wasn't going to ever attack Alabama, that wasn't a real issue.

2. George W Bush can't even do that, it's not like he misses some flight training - he just plain doesn't show up:
Quote:
In a document dated May 2, 1973, Bush's immediate superiors gave him his annual performance review for the period from May 1, 1972 to April 30, 1973. The review stated that "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report."


3. This is 'being AWOL'. In the time of war, this type of dereliction of duty is a bit more serious. Technically, it is desertion. Sure, he didn't fly his plane to Hanoi and surrender to the NVA. But, he most definitely did not perform the service he agreed to instead of being drafted and serving alongside people like John Kerry or Colin Powell.


His father, a decorated war-hero, has never spoken publically about this, but it is no secret that the two of them can't stand each other. This rift, maybe more than anything, made 'W' throw in his lot with Rummie and Co to 'show up that ol' bastard'. I guess....
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Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2009 06:33 pm
Here's what I see. Obama punked out of the ball because it "wasn't offical" when everyother president has gone for the last 56 years. Plain and simple you can't defend it so you attack instead. I'm sure it hasn't been offical for 56 years but the other Presidents attended. I think the use of "not an offical ball" is the key statement. That is cop-out. If others had not attended and Obama was not the first then it wouldn't be as big a deal, but he was the first. This is just a small indication of what is going to be coming down the line. Wait till he starts cutting funding to the military and see what happens. All the Dem presidents have done it. Just wait its coming.

Its good to know that he already has people who are willing to defend something as small as this. It really is. When the **** hits the fan in the next few years it will be good to see you all jumping to his defense.
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2009 06:40 pm
@Baldimo,
Nonsense . . . people have "defended" it by pointing out both that he attended an official ball for military personnel, and that the sponsors of the MoH ball have stated that they did not feel they had been snubbed. Who, do you allege, has attacked you?
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2009 06:48 pm
@Baldimo,
Have you ever gone to 10 different parties in one night? Had time for just one more?
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old europe
 
  1  
Reply Fri 30 Jan, 2009 06:59 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Here's what I see. Obama punked out of the ball because it "wasn't offical" when everyother president has gone for the last 56 years.


You mean you're changing your point.

In your opening post, you were complaining that the President "snubbed" the Medal of Honor winners, that he, in your words, "couldn't take time out of his schedule to honor these guys".

Turns out that that's not true. Not only were they invited as special guests to the Commander in Chief's ball that Obama was attending. No. Additionally, they were also offered subsidized hotel rooms and free transportation while they were in Washington.


So now, instead of complaining that the Medal of Honor winners were no appropriately honored, you're all of a sudden whining about how Obama didn't attend some specific ball.

And, in addition to that, you're complaining that people are defending Obama from an accusation that wasn't even true in the first place.

You're a funny guy.
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