BUSH IS GONE!

Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

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can you find one quotation, given either before the invasion or during the initial hours of the invasion, in which he states any reason but Iraq's destruction of WMD and WMD programs as the fundamental motive for the invasion? Specifically, can you find one in which he gives "spreading freedom" as the reason it should be done?

I guess finding one quotation doesn't count if you can hold our heads in the toilet.

Finding one from 2005 doesn't.

Finding one from February 2003, on the other hand, does.

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n which he states any reason but Iraq's destruction of WMD

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Again, give me a link to a speech in which Bush gave anything other than WMD disarmament as the primary motive for the invasion before or in the initial days of the invasion.

It seems you are trying to move the goal posts Brandon. Why is that?

You found a quotation in which he mentioned WMD disarmament as the primary justification, which proves my point, not yours.

The idea that spreading democracy was the motivation is simply a falsehood

he mentioned WMD disarmament as the primary justification

It only counts of Brandon says it counts. He can pretend it doesn't and he will hold our heads in the toilet until we agree.

Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

Brandon9000 wrote:

You found a quotation in which he mentioned WMD disarmament as the primary justification, which proves my point, not yours.

Only if you're changing your argument.


See, when you said that

Brandon9000 wrote:

The idea that spreading democracy was the motivation is simply a falsehood

it's only reasonable to assume that you mean that Bush never cited "spreading democracy" as a motivation for the invasion.


On the other hand, if you're now saying that

Brandon9000 wrote:

he mentioned WMD disarmament as the primary justification

you're only arguing that Bush cited "spreading democracy" as a less important motivation for the invasion.



As parados said: you're moving the goal posts. You've gone from "he never gave 'spreading democracy' as a reason" to "he never gave 'spreading democracy' as the primary reason".

Any other changes you want to make to your claims?

Brandon, do you care to address the fact that the justifications amongst the Republican crowd shifted after it became clear there were no WMD in Iraq to find? This is sort of damning to any argument that they - the Conservatives and Republicans in general - have credibility on this issue.

Cycloptichorn

Brandon9000 wrote:

Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

What, exactly, is wrong about Green Witch's statement? Shouldn't be too hard for you to point out, as the master of 'reasoned argument'...

parados wrote:

It only counts of Brandon says it counts. He can pretend it doesn't and he will hold our heads in the toilet until we agree.

Taunts are now all that's left to you, reasoned argument having failed. I'm still right unless you can find a quotation from president Bush that disproves my assertion. Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

Now you're simply being innacurate. The reason for deposing the Taliban was their support of Al Qaeda pertaining to 9/11. The reason for deposing Saddam Hussein, as president Bush stated like millions of times, was fear that rather than destroying his WMD development programs, he had merely taken them further underground. Can your opinions onely be supported by falsehoods?

Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

It only counts of Brandon says it counts. He can pretend it doesn't and he will hold our heads in the toilet until we agree.

Taunts are now all that's left to you, reasoned argument having failed. I'm still right unless you can find a quotation from president Bush that disproves my assertion. Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

You're still incorrect, even though you've dropped points you can't argue against that I raised. Your initial response didn't address what Green Witch actually wrote, but instead the argument you wish to have....

Cycloptichorn

old europe wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

What, exactly, is wrong about Green Witch's statement? Shouldn't be too hard for you to point out, as the master of 'reasoned argument'...

All you have to do is read my post to her.

Green Witch wrote:

(PS - what's Conservative about deposing foreign dictators to spread "freedom"...)

Now you're simply being innacurate. The reason for deposing the Taliban was their support of Al Qaeda pertaining to 9/11. The reason for deposing Saddam Hussein, as president Bush stated like millions of times, was fear that rather than destroying his WMD development programs, he had merely taken them further underground. Can your opinions onely be supported by falsehoods?

He gave WMD disarmament as the primary justification.

Please point to where Bush said WMD was the "primary" reason.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153CF934A15751C0A9659C8B63

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

It only counts of Brandon says it counts. He can pretend it doesn't and he will hold our heads in the toilet until we agree.

Taunts are now all that's left to you, reasoned argument having failed. I'm still right unless you can find a quotation from president Bush that disproves my assertion. Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

You're still incorrect, even though you've dropped points you can't argue against that I raised. Your initial response didn't address what Green Witch actually wrote, but instead the argument you wish to have....

Cycloptichorn

The president didn't give spreading democracy as his primary justification for invasion during the run up to the invasion. He gave WMD disarmament as the primary justification. That was an innacurate assertion by Green Witch. If you can't give me a counter example, I can't imagine what all this other noise is supposed to accomplish.

Well, let's face it - The Bush Administration is going to be the gold standard of what happens when bible thumping loonies get into power. It will serve as a lesson for generations to come.

(PS - what's Conservative about deposing foreign dictators to spread "freedom" and spending tax money like a bunch of drunkin' frat boys?)

It is clear that that was his primary justification, even if he doesn't say the words "primary motivation" each time he mentions it.

I've asked you to find me a speech from the appropriate time period which suggests that something else was the primary motivation. So far, you haven't.

Brandon9000 wrote:

old europe wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Green Witch is still as wrong as when she made her statement.

What, exactly, is wrong about Green Witch's statement? Shouldn't be too hard for you to point out, as the master of 'reasoned argument'...

All you have to do is read my post to her.

Here's your post to Green Witch:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Green Witch wrote:

(PS - what's Conservative about deposing foreign dictators to spread "freedom"...)

Now you're simply being innacurate. The reason for deposing the Taliban was their support of Al Qaeda pertaining to 9/11. The reason for deposing Saddam Hussein, as president Bush stated like millions of times, was fear that rather than destroying his WMD development programs, he had merely taken them further underground. Can your opinions onely be supported by falsehoods?

You seem to be claiming that her statement that was only supported by falsehoods. However, Bush gave deposing foreign dictators to spread "freedom" as a reason to invade Iraq.

Seems you were wrong.