THE WAR IN GAZA

I have no idea how Likud relates to the multi-party, coaltion governments in Israel. You need to be specific, rather than make, what for me is, oblique repartee.

Why must I condemn anything? Why must I comment on them?

The comment above, "Must make them so very proud!!!!!!!" is anti-Semitic, since we did not hear such comments after the U.S. went to war, or conflict, and effected civilian casualties (anyone remember Hiroshima). The inference being that Jews as soldiers are demons.

Epstein wrote:

It is a given that if Hamas were to renounce the use of force, the Israelis would instantly follow suit.

No, it isn't a given. Decades of assassinations and incursions tell us otherwise.

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But when Hamas declares open season on Israeli civilians, what may the Israelis do in response?

Why declare (as if it were a new thing) open season on Palestinian civilians, of course. Tit for tat is the way to peace, dontcha know. For every one Israeli that Hamas kills they should kill 100 Palestinians. That should show them who's boss, right? I mean, it worked the other 10 or more times they've tried it, that's why they have to keep doing it.

Here's an idea. Maybe they could address the fundamental injustice in the Palestinian situation and negotiate for a fully independent Palestinian state with equal rights to self-defense (among other things). Then they wouldn't have to come up with these complicated and unconvincing rationalizations and justifications for massacre.

there are no excuses

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/index.html

It's a massacre and those who condone it are condemning humanity beyond Gaza
It's a ******* disgrace

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Why must I condemn anything? Why must I comment on them?

We must assume that you're a human being. Is that too great an assumption to make?

Foofie wrote:

The comment above, "Must make them so very proud!!!!!!!" is anti-Semitic, since we did not hear such comments after the U.S. went to war, or conflict, and effected civilian casualties (anyone remember Hiroshima). The inference being that Jews as soldiers are demons.

What a crock! Of course we heard such comments during and after the US invasion of Iraq. We heard such strong comments that many right-wingers claimed such condemnation amounted to treason among other things. That conversation ending device of calling everything anti-Semitic is so worn and useless -- both peoples in this conflict are semitic people.

Montana wrote:

35% of the dead were children and 15% women. They targeted schools!!!!

Half the dead are women and children. Must make them so very proud!!!!!!!

No it does not. When Golda Meier was the Prime Minister, and she spoke to Sadat (I think) after their war, she explained, "I can forgive your country for killing my soldiers, but I can never forgive your country for making my country kill your people." You can look it up; this was my paraphrase. The thought is valid, though.

The comment above, "Must make them so very proud!!!!!!!" is anti-Semitic, since we did not hear such comments after the U.S. went to war, or conflict, and effected civilian casualties (anyone remember Hiroshima). The inference being that Jews as soldiers are demons. What you fail to forget is the Israeli bombing and ground offensive would have stopped as soon as the rockets would stop and the supplies of rockets would be abandoned. And why do Palestineans in Gaza need a supply of rockets?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You ought to be proud of what Israel is doing, Foofie; they made a choice to murder women and children who had done nothing. They are continuing to do so on a daily basis. You don't seem to recall that these very same comments were made about America during Vietnam and every war afterward...

Cycloptichorn

<sound of buzzer> Wrong again! I am only proud to be an American, a U.S. Vietnam Era veteran, a New Yorker, a Republican, a conservative, and on the right side of the bellcurve.

What you fail to remember is that Israel is no greater in the "morality department" than any other nation. If the U.S. can go to war, when its land is not under attack, then Israel can go to war when its land IS under attack. And, you can check out if all modern wars have civilian casualties. Only in ancient times, when armies met on battlefields, far from the cities, were there no civilian casualties. Perhaps, the democratic process does make us culpable for what one's country does (act belligerently by sending rockets into a neighbor's territory)?

By the way, I really am quite a humble guy. Perhaps annoying to political liberals (I am socially liberal), but humble nevertheless!