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THE WAR IN GAZA

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 07:56 am
@okie,
Eisenhower was lazy after becoming president. He spent an enormous amount of time away from DC playing on the links. He basically ignored domestic problems.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 10:17 am
@okie,
As a followup to my post, in regard to public opinion in Muslim countries about whether terror acts are justified, here is a poll that I posted quite some time ago, that I find fascinating. It seems to support the fact that radical Islam is not a few fanatics running around, but it resides within a fairly significant mainstream of Islamic countries. Obviously only a small minority is involved directly with terror groups, but the sympathies and support for such groups are very widespread. So in all honesty, is radical Islam flowing along with much of Islam, are they that far apart? After all, look at the educational systems in some of these countries, that teach America is Great Satan, etc. The graph below seems to indicate that almost a fourth to over half the citizens of several countries believe suicide bombings are often, sometimes, or rarely justified, rather than never justified.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248

http://pewglobal.org/reports/images/248-2.gif
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:49 am
Senior Hamas Leader: We'll Abduct More Soldiers

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz


(IsraelNN.com) The most senior Hamas leader outside of Gaza, Khaled Mashaal, said Monday night that Hamas would abduct more Israeli soldiers to exchange for terrorists held in Israeli jails. His statement reiterates Hamas threats issued repeatedly since the election of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in February.

Speaking at a gathering in Damascus, according to the Associated Press, Mashaal said that release of the Arab prisoners in Israel is a high priority for the jihadist organization he heads from his base in Syria. Hamas would not back down from the conditions it set for the release of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, he added.

On July 25, 2006, then-18-year-old Gilad Shalit was captured by Hamas and allied terrorists in a raid on a military base just outside Gaza. Two other soldiers were killed in the attack, which included infiltration by way of an underground tunnel. More than two and a half years later, Gilad is still being held captive.

Earlier this month, spokesmen for the Hamas regime in Gaza repeatedly declared that their ransom demands for Shalit will not change. They also warned of more kidnappings if terrorists imprisoned in Israel are not freed.

Hamas official Mushir al-Masri, a leading Gazan member of the Palestinian Authority government, told a rally two weeks ago that abducting more IDF soldiers was one of many options available to exert greater pressure on the Jewish State.

This echoed a threat issued in late March by Ra'ed al-Attar, a senior Hamas terrorist in Gaza, that "if Israel does not accept the demands to free 1,450 prisoners for captive Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, [Hamas'] al-Qassam [Brigades] would kidnap more soldiers." Quoted in the Gaza-based Palestine Today, Attar said, "The Hamas movement is not intending to make any concessions concerning its demands to finalize the prisoners exchange deal, and if this soldier (Shalit) is not enough, we will kidnap more."

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JoeBruno
 
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Reply Wed 29 Feb, 2012 06:18 am
@Advocate,
HAMAS Lied about Casualties in Gaza:


Italian journalist Lorenzo Cremonesi, who works with the Corriere
della serra newspaper, reported Thursday that Hamas had vastly
overstated the number of civilian deaths in Gaza. While Hamas claims
that 1,330 residents of Gaza were killed in the operation and
approximately 5,000 wounded, the real number of casualties was far
lower, Cremonesi says.
Cremonesi's report was based on his own findings after touring
hospitals in Gaza and talking to families of those killed or
wounded. "It is sufficient to visit several [Gaza] hospitals to
understand that the numbers don't add up", he explained.
Cremonesi estimated that between 500 to 600 people were killed in the
fighting. Most were young men between the ages of 17 and 23 who were
members of Hamas, he said.
Many hospitals had several empty beds, he reported. Hamas has stated
that Gaza hospitals are filled to capacity due to the large number of
victims, with many of the wounded being turned away due to the
shortage of doctors and supplies.
The Italian report also confirmed Israeli allegations that Hamas had
used civilians as human shields and used ambulances and United
Nations
buildings in the fighting. Those who tried to drive the terrorists
away in order to protect their families were beaten.
Civilians told Cremonesi that they shouted at Hamas and Islamic Jihad
terrorists to leave the area to avoid drawing Israeli fire on
civilians. The terrorists responded by calling them
"traitors", "collaborators" and "cowards", and insisted that any
civilians killed would be martyrs destined for paradise.
Civilians also reported that Hamas terrorists disguised themselves as
paramedics and drove ambulances during the fighting. In addition,
terrorists launched rockets from UN buildings. Many of these actions
are defined as war crimes.
"The knew they were weaker, but they wanted them [the Israelis] to
fire on our houses, so they could accuse them of war crimes", a
resident of the Gazan village Tel Awa explained.
Source: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/report-hamas-lied-about-gaza-casualties
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 29 Feb, 2012 08:06 pm
@JoeBruno,
I think that Hamas has to do whatever it has to do to level the playing field. The US should send $3billion a year to them so that they could operate on the same level as Israel.

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 05:19 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
I think that Hamas has to do whatever it has to do to level the playing field.


Interesting justification of war crimes committed by terrorists.



JTT wrote:
The US should send $3billion a year to them so that they could operate on the same level as Israel.


Should we also arm bank robbers so they can operate on the same level as the police?
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jft2
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 10:27 pm
@JTT,
" The US should send $3billion a year to them so that they could operate on the same level as Israel. "

That would might allow the Gazans to recover the 50% of their land stolen by Israel.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 10:51 pm
@jft2,
jft2 wrote:
That would might allow the Gazans to recover the 50% of their land stolen by Israel.

The US will never allow anyone to force Israel to give up land.

The only way to get land from Israel is by peacefully negotiating with them.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jan, 2015 10:52 pm
@JoeBruno,
Cant access that site so I have to assume your lieing your ass off again.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2015 02:40 am
I still say that if the Palestinians want an independent country, they should get one.
Israel should give up the land and go back to the 1967 borders.
However, they should conduct a "scorched earth" policy when they do.
They (Israel), should destroy everything they built in the occupied lands, every home, every school, every hospital, every piece of infrastructure, every water pump, every garden, every orchard, everything.
If it was built by the Israeli's, then the Israeli's should destroy it.

After that, Israel should close its borders and not allow anything to cross its borders that is going to the Palestinian country.
And, they should refuse to do any kind of business with the Palestinian state.

If the Palestinians want their own country, let them build it from scratch, not get the benefits of Israel's hard work.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 31 Jan, 2015 03:23 am
@mysteryman,
Israel will only give up land and go back to 1967 borders as part of a peaceful agreement where the Palestinians and other Arabs agree to stop attacking Israel.

The United States will protect Israel from any attempt to force them to give up land outside such an agreement.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 12:33 am
@mysteryman,
Does that include the fences they built to keep the palistinians in their concentration camps?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 01:52 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

I still say that if the Palestinians want an independent country, they should get one.
Israel should give up the land and go back to the 1967 borders.
However, they should conduct a "scorched earth" policy when they do.
They (Israel), should destroy everything they built in the occupied lands, every home, every school, every hospital, every piece of infrastructure, every water pump, every garden, every orchard, everything.
If it was built by the Israeli's, then the Israeli's should destroy it.

After that, Israel should close its borders and not allow anything to cross its borders that is going to the Palestinian country.
And, they should refuse to do any kind of business with the Palestinian state.

If the Palestinians want their own country, let them build it from scratch, not get the benefits of Israel's hard work.


Why should they do that?

Much of that hard work was done by Palestinian labor.

Also, the Palestinians demand not only a Palestinian state but also their Right of Return.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 02:03 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Also, the Palestinians demand not only a Palestinian state but also their Right of Return.

The United States will protect Israel from ever having to accede to such a demand.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 09:57 am
@oralloy,
And that will never happen.
Hamas and Hezbollah have both said in their charters that their goal is the utter destruction of Israel, so why would they stop?

If Israel were to go back to the 1967 borders tomorrow, it would only embolden the terrorists to make bigger attacks on Israel, causing more death and destruction.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 10:01 am
@RABEL222,
It includes everything built by or for Israel.
However, where those fences are on Israeli land, they can stay.
They (Israel) should then close their borders to any palestinian, not allow them to work, shop, go to school, get medical care, or do anything else in Israel.

After all, there is nothing that says Israel has to allow the Palestinians access, especially if the Palestinians become a separate country.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 10:04 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Also, the Palestinians demand not only a Palestinian state but also their Right of Return.


No, they either get their own state, or the right of return.
They cant have both.

And if they choose the right of return, that would only apply to those people personally affected when the Palestinians left.
Not their descendants at all, but only those people that actually left Israel.

Who cares who the work was done by,if it was built by or for Israel and Israelis, it should be totally destroyed when Israel pulls back to the 1967 borders.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 10:38 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
However, where those fences are on Israeli land, they can stay.
They should be, isn't it?
mysteryman wrote:
They (Israel) should then close their borders to any palestinian, not allow them to work, shop, go to school, get medical care, or do anything else in Israel.
So Israel would have to "invite" 'guestworkers' from other countries - 50,000 Palestians work in Israel legally with work permits, about the same number is engaged by Israelis illegally,

mysteryman wrote:
After all, there is nothing that says Israel has to allow the Palestinians access, especially if the Palestinians become a separate country.
1,658,000 Palestinians with Israely nationality are already 2nd class citizens of their country. They would losse their citizenship, of course?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 12:36 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
And that will never happen.
Hamas and Hezbollah have both said in their charters that their goal is the utter destruction of Israel, so why would they stop?

If Israel were to go back to the 1967 borders tomorrow, it would only embolden the terrorists to make bigger attacks on Israel, causing more death and destruction.

Then Israel will never return to 1967 borders.

"Land For Peace" doesn't mean "Israel gives up land without getting peace in return".
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Feb, 2015 02:29 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

No, they either get their own state, or the right of return.
They cant have both.

And if they choose the right of return, that would only apply to those people personally affected when the Palestinians left.

Not their descendants at all, but only those people that actually left Israel.

Who cares who the work was done by,if it was built by or for Israel and Israelis, it should be totally destroyed when Israel pulls back to the 1967 borders.


You haven't explained why the Israelis should totally destroy everything built by or for Israel if it were to pull back, as well as why the Palestinians can't have both, and why the Right of Return would only apply to those people personally affected when the Palestinians left.
 

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